Is this Uronema?

Zero_Cool · Sep 19, 2023

Fish still eating. Thinking Uronema or bacterial infection. Thoughts?

MnFish1 · Sep 19, 2023

Without a white picture - or any other history - I would still say 'yes'. Can you respond to the link in my signature about what questions to answer? Sorry your fish has an issue

vetteguy53081 · Sep 19, 2023

Zero_Cool said:
Fish still eating. Thinking Uronema or bacterial infection. Thoughts?

Hate to say but it appears to b based on location and raised scales. Uronema is an oval ciliated motile protozoan which causes tissue necrosis as seen on fish. This can also be triggered by low salinity levels as well as excess food waste on tank bottom which this protozoan can feed on as often prevention can be more valuable than cure for this.
Fish will have to be quarantined and treated with formalin based treatment which is harder to find, so next option is Ruby rally Pro. Chloroquine Phosphate will also work but must be used precisely. Uronema is not an obligate parasite, and can thrive on bacteria, uneaten food, and waste so besides treatment also maintain a clean tank removing waste daily.
To touch up more on this disease which is an oval ciliated motile protozoan that causes tissue necrosis as seen on fish.
What other fish are in the tank?

MnFish1 · Sep 19, 2023

And - probably not a curable issue - but again the picture under blue light is an issue

Zero_Cool · Sep 19, 2023

vetteguy53081 said:
Hate to say but it appears to b based on location and raised scales. Uronema is an oval ciliated motile protozoan which causes tissue necrosis as seen on fish. This can also be triggered by low salinity levels as well as excess food waste on tank bottom which this protozoan can feed on as often prevention can be more valuable than cure for this.
Fish will have to be quarantined and treated with formalin based treatment which is harder to find, so next option is Ruby rally Pro. Chloroquine Phosphate will also work but must be used precisely. Uronema is not an obligate parasite, and can thrive on bacteria, uneaten food, and waste so besides treatment also maintain a clean tank removing waste daily.
To touch up more on this disease which is an oval ciliated motile protozoan that causes tissue necrosis as seen on fish.
What other fish are in the tank?

Full tank of fish; 4 tangs, 2 clowns, 2 additional anthias, 3 PJ Cardinals and a wrasse.

This one was a newer addition 2 weeks ago.

Will try to treat but in my experience once it gets to this stage it progresses too rapidly.

Thank you both for your confirmation.

Do I need to worry about the other fish in the tank?

I am running a UV at slow flow and have been feeding with Metroplex as ich management methods so this must have come in with this fish and just took this long to show.

vetteguy53081 · Sep 19, 2023

Zero_Cool said:
Full tank of fish; 4 tangs, 2 clowns, 2 additional anthias, 3 PJ Cardinals and a wrasse.

This one was a newer addition 2 weeks ago.

Will try to treat but in my experience once it gets to this stage it progresses too rapidly.

Thank you both for your confirmation.

Do I need to worry about the other fish in the tank?

I am running a UV at slow flow and have been feeding with Metroplex as ich management methods so this must have come in with this fish and just took this long to show.

The other anthias may be at risk in which I would give them at minimum a ruby rally bath for or 60 minutes. As for other fish at risk, they should not but keeping tank clean and clean of uneaten food, and other waste will help minimize that risk. You can even run ruby rally in display tank

Yaoming814 · Sep 19, 2023

Zero_Cool said:
Fish still eating. Thinking Uronema or bacterial infection. Thoughts?

Looks like it -_-

Jay Hemdal · Sep 19, 2023

Zero_Cool said:
Fish still eating. Thinking Uronema or bacterial infection. Thoughts?

Is that damage to the fish's right pectoral fin? If so, that isn't Uronema, it just doesn't show like that. The big white spot on the body *could* be Uronema, but it could also be damage as well. What are the other two anthias with it? Any signs of fighting?

Jay

Zero_Cool · Sep 19, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
Is that damage to the fish's right pectoral fin? If so, that isn't Uronema, it just doesn't show like that. The big white spot on the body *could* be Uronema, but it could also be damage as well. What are the other two anthias with it? Any signs of fighting?

Jay

Thank you.

As odd as it is to say, I am hopeful that this is just damage from tang aggression (they were a little fiesty the other day). Purple, Gem, Sailfin and Chocolate are the tangs. The Purple has been a bit of a bully especially around the feeding station and times. Maybe from being chased and hitting the rock work.

This male is the largest of the 3 anthias in the tank (similar size female square back and female Lyretail are the others).

Plan is to keep treating with Metroplex and start Sulfaplex if this is an infection. I am traveling but my wife is taking care of the tank. I will get some updates as I can.

Jay Hemdal · Sep 19, 2023

I would try a gram negative antibiotic over the metroplex in this case - but I don’t know which sulfa drug sulfaplex has in it. I usually use a Neoplex or kanaplex.

Jay

Zero_Cool · Sep 19, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
I would try a gram negative antibiotic over the metroplex in this case - but I don’t know which sulfa drug sulfaplex has in it. I usually use a Neoplex or kanaplex.

Jay

Does this help?

Jay Hemdal · Sep 19, 2023

Zero_Cool said:
Does this help?

Yes, that is active in seawater, you could use that. Any antibiotic is a guess though - without doing a sensitivity study like they do on people, there is no way to know for sure if it will work.

Jay

Zero_Cool · Sep 19, 2023

Jay Hemdal said:
Yes, that is active in seawater, you could use that. Any antibiotic is a guess though - without doing a sensitivity study like they do on people, there is no way to know for sure if it will work.

Jay

Thank you. I am adding it to the frozen foods along with Focus to bind it. I have had bad experiences treating the whole tank with medications in the past.

Got a message from my wife that she noticed some fin nips on the Lyretail as well. Maybe this is aggression.

Jay Hemdal · Sep 20, 2023

Zero_Cool said:
Thank you. I am adding it to the frozen foods along with Focus to bind it. I have had bad experiences treating the whole tank with medications in the past.

Got a message from my wife that she noticed some fin nips on the Lyretail as well. Maybe this is aggression.

Oh! you can't just add antibiotics to focus without calculating the proper dose! The typical dose for sulfa drugs is 50 mg per kg of fish body weight daily for five days. Here is my article on how to properly dose oral medications, it isn't easy though: