Anyone ever thought of collecting sea water and filling a tank with it?

[Jhbard]

I would think there is probably a high risk of things like
disease, pollutants, parasites and more
Still I think it is a interesting idea.

 

[Serpentman2024]

Waaay back in the day, that's how it was done. The problem with doing so is the shoreline is typically the dirtiest part of the ocean. Think of the way action as nature's protein skimmer. So ideally, you could do it but you probably want to get your water from away from the beach. Also, you'll be bringing in all of the planktonic good and bad that float around. A lot of beneficial and harmful hitchhikers have a planktonic phase of their development. And finally, the ocean harbors more viruses than stars in the galaxy. So long story short, may not be worth the risk.

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[Reeferbadness]

I added seawater to my first 180g tank - it is collected far offshore here in San Diego county - and it was a good way to jumpstart the tank and helps avoid some cycling (along with lots of live rock). They have a service here that does this (i did it through my LFS)

 

[Evil1]

Reach out to @Paul B. I believe he has been doing it for years and still does

 

[MrStoffel]

This is in fact something fairly common in the hobby in belgium & the netherlands.
We have a well known spot with great water quality, because it has oyster and lobster farms nearby.
People go there and pump up water, ranging from a few liters, to full truck loads being sold by local fish stores.
We do need to add some extra salt, since the salinity is slightly lower than preferred for a reef tank.
And it is also recommended to gather water right before high tide. Also during summer we try to avoid it, as it is said that there would be more pollutants in the water at that time.

 

[Jasonak]

Theres a few discussions about this, if theres a sea life center near you maybe talk to them and see if they will hook you up with there water. My friend used to get his from the sealife center and his tank was very healthy. The center is 180 miles from me but he had job that would take him there weekly to that town. He got to be friends with the operators and they would hook him up water.

 

[Dom]

I would think there is probably a high risk of things like
disease, pollutants, parasites and more
Still I think it is a interesting idea.

Yes, they are called NSW tanks (natural sea water) tanks.

Many people here on R2R use NSW. I would, except, the area I live in has a harbor with big commercial ships. I would't chance the water around here.

 

[Jhbard]

I plan on doing something like this with a 40 gal and adding some small fish and invertebrates. From a bay or tidepool of course not taking anything I shouldn't.

 

[Charlie the Reefer]

Interestingly, the Shedd Aquarium in 1930 shipped 1M US gallons of seawater from oceans via railroad for their saltwater exhibits! A lot of coastal farms/aquaculture facilities have their systems directly plumbed to the ocean, but yes it comes with a new set of engineering considerations.

 

[Paul B]

I have been doing that for 54 years, I collected it yesterday. I just back up to an ocean and fill tanks in my Jeep. No problems yet, but the day is young.

I have no concern for diseases or parasites because I keep my fish immune so it's no problem but if you are worried about such things you will have to treat the water one way or another.

I do have a concern about taking it just after a rain storm. Around here on Long Island it is all farms and golf courses so after a storm the sea is loaded with fertilizer. I have a little more algae in my tank now than I would like and it is directly because of that so now I mix it half with fake water. But I always take some mud or sand from the surf for the bacteria.

Remember, virtually all our fish and corals except maybe 3 came from real sea water and I have been to many of the places where they are collected. Many of those places are in harbors and not very clean.

I think you should ask "Why do people use fake water if they live near the sea"?




I started my tank in 1971 with water from here. The East River that runs past Manhattan. Probably not one of my best ideas.

 

[fishface NJ]

I use sea water off the beach in NJ....Sandy Hook. I use a filter and adjust the salinity.

 

[crazyfishmom]

I use sea water off the beach in NJ....Sandy Hook. I use a filter and adjust the salinity.

What type of filter?

 

[PeterErc]

Been using NSW 20 years, incoming tide or offshore
The LFS sell synthetic or natural sea water.
Not sure if guy is still in business, has/had a tanker truck and would deliver NSW, also pump out and refill tanks.
Would also provide water for the local frag swaps that used to happen

 

[fishface NJ]

What type of filter?

I have a cheap old diatom filter on it's last legs. You can DIY one

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[legionofdoon]

There used to be a guy in Palm Beach county called deep water Doug that would bring NSW to your house. Jupiter inlet during incoming tide is probably the cleanest you'll find in south Florida. I've done it multiple times with no problems.

 

[Skywater]

I use sea water off the beach in NJ....Sandy Hook. I use a filter and adjust the salinity.

I wish l lived near an ocean, rather than Lake Michigan. Then I would definitely collect ocean water.... I remember reading in Martin Moe's books, all the micro sealife found in his plankton sieves.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I used NSW decades ago when I lived in Myrtle Beach. Carried it home in 5 gallon buckets. Too poor for instant ocean back then.

 

[Lbrdsoxfan]

Been using NSW 20 years, incoming tide or offshore
The LFS sell synthetic or natural sea water.
Not sure if guy is still in business, has/had a tanker truck and would deliver NSW, also pump out and refill tanks.
Would also provide water for the local frag swaps that used to happen

We have a guy here in So. Cal that does that, myself and my dad started a few tanks with his nsw water over the years.

The guy had a big water tank that held 400g of nsw water or man made water on the back of a F-450 truck and delivered to you.

Now I just take a few collapsible 5 gal jugs out past the breakwater and suck it out the ocean, run it through some cheesecloth and dump it in the tank.

 

[Turtle_reef]

That's amazing 54 years! I could only dream to be at 54 years of experience of reefing!

This question actually came up with a friend yesterday heading to the fish store: could we use natural seawater in a fish-only tank or even a reef tank doing water changes. So i figured this morning id hop on r2r and see what others have done.

It's tempting with the idea of replicating the ocean exactly, temperature and all. But then there's some things to consider. Collecting the seawater could contain parasites, pathogens, and pollutants that can hitch a ride on your "free" water, harming our fish.
Also, the Ocean is Inconsistent! Salinity and other parameters fluctuate depending on location, tide, and even the weather. Keeping a stable environment is key for happy fish.
There's also some microscopic missing pieces. While some beneficial bacteria might be there, it might not be the exact crew we need for our tanks to thrive.

But, Using Pre-Mixed Saltwater we are guaranteed that Saltwater mixes provide consistent salinity, alkalinity, and other crucial elements for a healthy tank. We're Reducing Risk! Reputable brands test their products to minimize unwanted hitchhikers.

Now, some experienced aquarists might collect ocean water from specific areas (clean, offshore, high tide) but that requires testing, filtration, and a deep understanding of what they're doing.

Sure, reefers in the past managed without the tools we have today, but their success rates were probably lower. For us, pre-made saltwater and proper tank maintenance are a recipe for success.
So, what do you all think? Anyone have experience with ocean water in their tanks?

 

[BeanAnimal]

So, what do you all think? Anyone have experience with ocean water in their tanks?

Yes many of us do. Paul has been doing it for 5 decades. I did it for over 2 years when I lived at in Myrtle Beach in the early 90's

You will find countless others who live in a coastal area and use ocean water.

There are several brands like Natures Ocean that are also natural seawater collected and sold in 5 gallon jugs. They take most of your concerns (many somewhat unfounded if you choose a decent collection area) away.