It's really quite simple. You made the claim that these fish are not inbred. From ORA's site: "Our broodstock descend from specimens ORA obtained from clownfish breeder Robert King. Robert named these fish Zombies when he first spotted them in a batch he raised from two, normal looking wild-type Black Ocellaris parents."
Here your argument is that the fish don't have any vision problems other the vision problems they have. My argument is it doesn't matter if you think the problem is inconsequential or not, the problem should be disclosed.
Maybe we shouldn't buy any clownfish period. They've either been wild caught or inbred over and over. Lets take that a step further and stop buying all wild caught fish. Bangaii Cardinal fish were collected to the point of being endangered. Captive bred Banggaii's, most of them have a neurological disorder called sudden fright syndrome. Inbreeding over and over make for an all around unhealthy fish so lets take Phantoms, Snowflakes, Gold Nuggets, Storms, Platinums etc...... off the list of fish to buy. My Zombies being F1 from a wild caught pair of Black Darwins (that I inherited many years ago) are some of the healthiest fish in the hobby. They do not have any neurological defects, They are not blind or even partially blind as some posts may suggest, and they are F1s.
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Don't shine bright lights in their eyes because they are sensitive to sudden bright lights as are most fish. If their visual acuity is lacking in the least, they would never make it past morph!
It goes without saying that when you breed an F1 with anything, the offspring are not going to be F1. My claim was that these fish have not been inbred over and over again. My fish are F1 and ORA has actually obtained a wild caught fish to keep the gene clean. They can continue to breed F2s for a very long time without ever going to F3 or F4,5,6,7,or 8 in most cases of designer clowns.
Don't shine bright lights in their eyes....ok who seriously goes around shining lights in there fish's eyes like a 5 year old with a flashlight? C'mon now, I know your defending your breeding but incase you missed it most reef tanks have bright lighting in which most of these fish will be bought for, a reef tank. Again, I get your side but you should accept that not everyone is going to agree with you, your breeding or your reasoning to produce fish with a sight abnormality.I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Don't shine bright lights in their eyes because they are sensitive to sudden bright lights as are most fish. If their visual acuity is lacking in the least, they would never make it past morph!
Maybe you start breeding towards NOT having issues with sudden bright lights, if that changes the look then so be it right? Ever thought it could be the case that right now it's just sudden bright light which may morph into more of an issue should the breeding continue?
I noticed much earlier on that the albinos would be startled by sudden bright lights so I did a little test today and shined the same light at their non albino siblings and their reaction was the same. I may be mistaken about the claim of light sensitivity. There are some of my Zombies that are over 7 years old and doing great. This would not be the case if they were "disabled" or "partially blind." As far as visual acuity goes, there is absolutely no issue with that. If you were to observe these fish for yourself, you would be impressed as they are the most beguiling clownfish you will ever observed. Since I've been breeding salt water fish, there has always been those people who love to rain on my parade. I was told early on to cull mercilessly any misbarred or deformed fish. I am gathering from all the haters out there, that they would like to see my fish culled mercilessly or to never put them with any other clownfish leaving them to be without a partner. Thank you for your comment and questions. I hope this helps to clear up any controversy once and for all.
I'm glad you brought that up. I have more than 1 tank and I've turned on my white lights with no ramp up, on my tank with the non albino siblings and much to my dismay, they darted to the bottom. My albinos live under the same type of light and with the blue lights coming on first and a ramp up on the other lights, they have been doing just fine for 2 years now. Since I started breeding salt water fish, I've had many people trying to rain on my parade. Haters are gonna hate.
I'm pretty sure it has been disclosed or else this post wouldn't exist.
No one is hating, just difference of opinion and sorry you can't handle that. Your attitude against others who disagree is sad to be honest. Your turning reefers and hobbyists that disagree with your one type of clownfish into "hate" and as a buisness owner I would think you had higher regard for others opinions. The more you post just makes want to avoid anything you produce. I wish you the best in your endeavors but I'm done with our conversation.
