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Hm....still a cool scope!
Cool info. I'll follow.
Hi Rick...did you think about reaching out to one of the big vendors like rods or larrys? They may have done this already due to determining freeze/thaw times and decomposition. I have spoken to Rod at Rod's Food ( who is a really nice guy and easy to talk with) and I would guess he would be more than willing to help if he can. I just know that the 2 vendors keep strict temperatures of food and the shelf life is important to them.Many of you have asked me a very good question in my DIY post of “The Frozen Food Feeder” (Here is the link https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/diy-frozen-food-feeder.279232/ ) about the stability of the food over time….will it go bad….will it break down. You got me to thinking. Are my assumptions correct or am I feeding my fish and corals “bad” food? I could not find any relevant posts that had any data, just mostly anecdotal observations. (Some of you might be able to point me in the right direction).So I decided to make some phone calls and do some digging for some relative data on the stability of the food at different temperatures. My sister-in-law is a clinical pathologist so I reached out to her. She pointed me in the direction of the frozen food industry. Her Job consisted of a lot of different kinds of tissue preservation so she had a lot of insight into the matter. Without troubling you with all of the details, I found these two articles very helpful in understanding the issue. (If math scares you you may not want to look at these )
http://www.fao.org/docrep/V7180E/V7180e07.htm
https://seagrant.uaf.edu/lib/asg/30/ASG-30.pdf
From these two articles I calculated what is referred to as “Equivalent Days on Ice” time at my storage temperature of 30⁰-31⁰ F and subtracted that from the “Maximum Shelf Life of Shrimp at 32⁰ F on Ice”( 5 Days) to find my “Remaining Shelf Life” . This shelf life is based on fitness for human consumption, so I had to make the assumption that it would hold true for my fish…not sure this is totally valid.
I found my Remaining Shelf Life was in a safe range for usage given 5 days is the maximum time I keep a batch in the feeder. My calculations give me about 12-24 hours of extra shelf life at my holding temperatures. She (my sister-in-law) also recommended an experiment that I can do to validate the assumptions and calculations, which I will do later.
I have read a number of posts on various websites that say that people thaw the frozen food and then store it in the frig for over a week. The average temperature of a refrigerator is between 32 to 40⁰ F. That means the food is approximately 2-10 days past its useful shelf life. When you read the articles you will see that the changes in remaining shelf life are not linear with temperature which means the spoilage is two times as fast as you go from 32⁰-40⁰ F
Well that’s probably enough for now. I appreciate all of you questions. It motivated me to dig into the data. Not sure it is 100% applicable but it is better than what I had before and I am still in the process of exploring the subject…Will keep you posted as I do my experiment and a bit more digging, but at least it is a move in the right direction.
Thanks
Rick
PS If any of you can point me to additional information that could be used it would be appreciated.
Hi Rick...did you think about reaching out to one of the big vendors like rods or larrys? They may have done this already due to determining freeze/thaw times and decomposition. I have spoken to Rod at Rod's Food ( who is a really nice guy and easy to talk with) and I would guess he would be more than willing to help if he can. I just know that the 2 vendors keep strict temperatures of food and the shelf life is important to them.
You could add vitamins, like C, to your feeds to prolong life of the food items.
That is an idea worth exploring...thank. Do you think a citric acid solution might do the trick?
Yes, I do. I have data for this as well and will be sure to get it to you when I get home. So, not only would it help preserve the shelf life of the food, it would also add to the nutritional profile of your food.
Looking forward to your return...enjoy your trip
Rick, I have a lot of research data about this that you may be looking for, yet I won't be back in the country until the end of January. If you could send me a little reminder, I can get you all sorts of stuff.[/QU
Rick, I have a lot of research data about this that you may be looking for, yet I won't be back in the country until the end of January. If you could send me a little reminder, I can get you all sorts of stuff.
Awesome ... Completely understand about the legal stuff...Deal with that all the time..What ever you can share would be appreciatedYes, I'm home. I'm glad you pinged me via PM, as I missed this post. I've been gathering up stuff for a lionfish article and oxidation is a huge deal with the fatty foods preds like mine are often offered. Give me a week to organize some research and see what I can find that would be useful to you. Often times I can not share studies in their entirety due to the legalities of sharing journal articles.
No worries...you know running in circles can make you dizzyI'm sorry that I am behind on participating. The start of school has me running in circles.