Help with diagnosis
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I cannot tell if it is ick or hlle....the typical pattern looks like hlle....but the spots on the sides look like ick (photo 1)....hopefully
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How long have you had the fish, what size tank, how long has it been running , what are your water parameters?
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How long have you had the fish, what size tank, how long has it been running , what are your water parameters?
I thought so as well....but I wasn't sure they could happen simultaneously...
melypr1985
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I dont' see overt signs of ich but certainly HLLE is present.
I doubt it is ich as this fish has been through previous ich and velvet outbreaks in my tank. The fish has been with me for more than 2 years now and has been one of the most hardy and resilient.
My current water is coppered and has been for the past 2 months. But pic 1 does seems to show ich.... I will go have a closer look again tomorrow.
If it's HLLE then that is plausible as my 2 blue tangs have HLLE. I have been trying to feed better food lately and this only surfaced this week, after it has been eating after better food.
Is lymphoctosis a possibility?
My current water is coppered and has been for the past 2 months. But pic 1 does seems to show ich.... I will go have a closer look again tomorrow.
If it's HLLE then that is plausible as my 2 blue tangs have HLLE. I have been trying to feed better food lately and this only surfaced this week, after it has been eating after better food.
Is lymphoctosis a possibility?
4FordFamily
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Copper is a good idea but tends to exacerbate HLLE. So that is my bet as well.
Thanks for starting this in a thread!
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Thanks for starting this in a thread!
@Humblefish
It looks like you are treating with rocks present. Are you testing the Cu level daily to ensure it remains therapeutic?
Just resurrecting this as I've a few additional queries / observations about HLLE.
(By the way, the vlamingi didn't make it. It died a day or so after I posted the pics. I have since removed copper from my water as the ich situation appears to have resolved but I lost a purple in similar fashion to the vlamingi very recently.)
1) Is a symptom of HLLE fluffy white growths along the head and lateral line? I know one of the common symptoms of HLLE is a pitted head but both my vlamingi and purple didn't have any pits; they had fluffy growths instead.
2) Also, the decline of both fish was very fast; almost like falling off a cliff. Even with the HLLE, they were eating very voraciously and appeared otherwise healthy apart from the ugly growths. Then the next day they're dead.
(By the way, the vlamingi didn't make it. It died a day or so after I posted the pics. I have since removed copper from my water as the ich situation appears to have resolved but I lost a purple in similar fashion to the vlamingi very recently.)
1) Is a symptom of HLLE fluffy white growths along the head and lateral line? I know one of the common symptoms of HLLE is a pitted head but both my vlamingi and purple didn't have any pits; they had fluffy growths instead.
2) Also, the decline of both fish was very fast; almost like falling off a cliff. Even with the HLLE, they were eating very voraciously and appeared otherwise healthy apart from the ugly growths. Then the next day they're dead.
That sounds more like a bacterial infection or possibly Lymphocystis: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/lymphocystis.257461/
Based on how fast your fish died, I would strongly suspect a gram negative bacterial infection: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bacterial-infections.191511/
Only other disease which usually kills that fast is velvet: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/
+1 to possible gram negative bacterial infections. I had a mimic tang in three antibiotics that had a similar fuzzy growth on it before it finally stopped eating and just gave up :/ Nasty stuff
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