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Just did a water change with nsw. Blasted the rocks and sand with a turkey baster. Sand is nice and white just like I like it!
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The people I wish would test written theory and -post- that non theory work are, in order:
Lasse.
For the nutrients part i want to refer to last page of the sand rinse thread for an active measure.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-official-sand-rinse-thread-aka-one-against-many.230281/page-12
I usually do not work with peoples nutrient levels, including the 10 page peroxide works thread, because being tank invaded is a human -psychological- condition of allowance and permissiveness... it’s not a nutrient issue or I would have been using nutrients the last decade in building these threads.
Nutrtient tuning is valid, for growback prevention and for lessening cleaning work. There are 110 ways to prevent cyano, and about one good way I know to cure it when it’s there anyway.
I do not ever advise someone to use nutrient controls to make a tank uninvaded, to change water parameters while corals are growing well but an invader nests alongside them...that’s why we’ve never bleached any corals in all my works, not one.
I see and read in messages ALL the time about people bleaching corals through nutrient adjustments, no pox, gfo and pellet use.
we work on the invasion part by trying to sell people on becoming uninvaded, and they usually hesitate/ fight it in little ways we can see as they mentally hold on to their invader for one or more reasons. To the degree they let go of the invasion and do the deep clean, that’s the degree of sustain / turnaround time it takes to restore the tank.
After my cleaning, they can become sand stirrers like in Blusops thread for all the preventative steps they need wo another big takedown
Psychology of being invaded:
-I can’t clean, it destabilizes the tank and kills bacteria.
-I can’t clean the tank, it removes little tiny worms in my sandbed I can’t see, but know are there due to my microscope.
-I can’t clean because that doesn’t fix anything (though anyone actually reading my threads for patterns doesn’t see tank rejuvenators claiming that at all, only outsiders state that)
-I can’t clean the cyano bc my tank is new and it’s in the uglies phase.
-I can’t expect my tank to be invasion compliant because I used dry white rock and dry sand, zero internal competitors.
-I can’t clean, it’s too much work, I’ve got a 210 and you have a one gallon, not fair. (Woes of the large tanker)
-I can’t be cyano free until I get my N and P in line and sustain that
-Many more I can’ts...
‘I can’t’ is the sole part of being invaded I was meant to work in (against) and we don’t need to know N and P to address the amazing psychology of purposefully holding onto an invasion while asking for help curing it. My threads are aimed undoing each I can’t, then taking pics of it.
There is no I can’t on the last page of the sand rinse thread, that man was an I can, we did, make a video of our family having a fun evening taking back control of our home aquarium, and laughing with fun while doing it. Rare
The last part above, about successful large tanks, I agree those exist and I have my opinions as to why that dichotomy exists BUT let’s let these sand stirrers speak. All these tanks are big, and many mention coming back from the brink of cyano only by stirring and releasing detritus vs being pent up with it, why if large tanks can find balance without ejection work, do we have a multi pager here of being non invaded solely by working the bed physically? If hands off worked as well, water tuners and nutrient tuners would produce similar works threads
Variation exists in being hands off, and in that variation are the thousands of wrecked tanks asking for help. Some have zero problems and work well, agreed.
My goal on the threads is to stop variation and make outcomes align by using simple cleaning + rules I know from working in the microbiology industry and so far it’s working to the tune of 90% sustained happy cured reef tanks. I have a few noncompliants as any large thread maker will eventually see (and I cants certainly factor there as well)
*It's easy to find theories about what causes and controls cyano and blanketed invader issues in aquariums, but it's very hard obviously to find threads that consistently cure it for pages. Seems like the hands on crew got everyone else by a car length? They're providing the sole proof in pics at least.
You're not self inspecting ready information to see if we have to clean forever, I'll let you hunt around. The sand stirrers thread apparently is ongoing cleaning, but then again who has the work threads
You provide that part, how to take reefs in others homes and have them run consistently then. make your link.
The tanks you run at work supported by multi thousand dollar eq do count, that's a lot on the line and extremely powerful experience, but I'm asking for thread work.
Make res publica reef behave, then link it. Make your thesis into a pattern you can elicit in any ten page thread. Sell em on participating, actioners do this night and day why is it always pulling teeth to get water tuners to make a work thread. It's the scariest accountability online, but after page six it's what we like to do 24x7
I think if you start a proof thread asking to cure people's cyano, they'll post.
I think if you make a thread about how to start new reefs, people will submit offers for tracking. Actioners always have this type of material handy, and the sincere show up having already read it and wanting to remark upon certain examples from the threads.
ah just what I needed...I am debating BB or sand in my 90 reboot. I put the fish LR and corals in a 40br that IS BB and kinda like it.
BUT I LOVE THE LOOK OF SAND so I keep going back in forth BB or sand. I need to spend an hour so so and read through this whole thread.
I love the idea of a nice clean sand bed the GF will to..
question those of you with large LPS do you move them to stir the SB?
I am inspired with sand again.
I love it that there are so many ways to reefing and finding the "right" way for each tank and each person is half the fun/challenge.
I put my goniopora in the sand (metallic green, red and purple). I put a few of my torch corals in there and I have a very large wall hammer in the sand in the back. If fact, it's time to "take the wall down". [I mean, remove and frag it].
I also have a huge blue clam nestled in the sand.
I use 2" diameter x 3" tall PVC pipe to "suspend" my live rock above the sand by 0-0.5 inches.
I only do BB in my sump, fuge and sometimes on "certain" beaches along the French coast. (Just kidding - - - I have some sand in my sump).
how about this
I like the look of sand too, I need it for overall zen balance but not its diapering ability
in your 90, assemble a removable if needed but locked-in type column or small wall that sits on the bare bottom. plan for it as if its a bare bottom setup, the weight is already balanced and locked and ready for bare bottom aging. then when ready add some bags of pre rinsed live sand, cloudless, to the bottom and cover around the live rocks already resting on the bottom. small bits of detritus w get up under them but not too bad
the vision I had was that you still get the look of sand, but its not covered by nor it is supporting the weight of your overall rock scape, therefore it is accessible for stirring, occasional change outs, wrasses etc.
use the sandbed, but know the accessibility is key and plan for being able to disassemble clean the tank if needed. mind your fish bioloading as they're the top contributors to sandbed waste, and live rocks are second in my opinion. live rock pumps out detritus daily, its tenants do.