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Mp60 MSRP: 675$
A submersible, controllable, programmable water fan.
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1 1/5th Apex Controllers
10 Jabao wavemakers
10 submersible, controllable, programmable water fans, with a fat 90% markup thrown on top, at-least.
1-3 Round trip airline tickets anywhere in the US
2 1/2 NVIDIA GTX 1060s (High powered computer graphics cards. Technology)
7 Intex 12' circular above ground pools w/pump
30 things that cost 20$
67 things that cost 10$
140 thick cut sirloin steaks
300 gallons of gasoline
600 cans of beer
1000 lbs of rice, 10,000 servings.
168,750 gallons of drinkable water
People love hobbies, lets make money from those people.
- Apex + Vortech
There is no way, on earth, a wavemaker (water fan) should have this price tag. The price gouging in this hobby from american product suppliers is pretty bad. Many hobbyists turned to asian markets long ago for affordable and good quality equipment. The Apex is such a ripoff, we have resulted to building our own controllers with reef-pi. The reviews are pretty average, and the equipment is not invincible. If you own any of these products, you know they are good products. My beef is with the companies ripping us off. Their product reviews are full of price complaints.
Instead of charging a ridiculous markup, wouldn't you want your equipment in the hands of as many reef-keepers as possible to make the hobby more accessible, to improve the quality of life for more aquariums and prevent more tank failures?
That's what you would think; however, they've instead gone with the charge as much as possible from our customers like it's the 1960's business model. Its 2020, are you making products for the benefit and advancement of the hobby, or only alienating loads of reef keepers by trying to charge as much as humanly possible to increase profits? Can't you tone it down just a little bit?
Yes I care about my fish and corals, but Im not going to get taken for a ride and spend 4k on a tank so that I can have a semigloss finish on my wavemaker controller and get text alerts from a controller with basic 1990's technology and high-school level programming when I am on vacation. This stuff should be affordable.
Instead, I'll continue making snow angles in my pile of Jabeo wavemakers and return pumps while waiting patiently for an affordable aquarium controller from the asian markets - a market sector that companies like vortech and apex don't want to fill because they are too busy maxing out their profit margins.
Enough is enough.
Why was reef keeping originally started?
The goal of aquarium keeping is not to have a cool tank in your bedroom to impress your friends or brag about on the forums. We are propagating corals, fish, and potentially benefiting the oceans later on down the line. These American brands don't want to participate in that endeavor by reaching to mid grade aquarists. For affordable and quality aquarium equipment, we will have to look to the asian markets.
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A submersible, controllable, programmable water fan.
>
1 1/5th Apex Controllers
10 Jabao wavemakers
10 submersible, controllable, programmable water fans, with a fat 90% markup thrown on top, at-least.
1-3 Round trip airline tickets anywhere in the US
2 1/2 NVIDIA GTX 1060s (High powered computer graphics cards. Technology)
7 Intex 12' circular above ground pools w/pump
30 things that cost 20$
67 things that cost 10$
140 thick cut sirloin steaks
300 gallons of gasoline
600 cans of beer
1000 lbs of rice, 10,000 servings.
168,750 gallons of drinkable water
People love hobbies, lets make money from those people.
- Apex + Vortech
There is no way, on earth, a wavemaker (water fan) should have this price tag. The price gouging in this hobby from american product suppliers is pretty bad. Many hobbyists turned to asian markets long ago for affordable and good quality equipment. The Apex is such a ripoff, we have resulted to building our own controllers with reef-pi. The reviews are pretty average, and the equipment is not invincible. If you own any of these products, you know they are good products. My beef is with the companies ripping us off. Their product reviews are full of price complaints.
Instead of charging a ridiculous markup, wouldn't you want your equipment in the hands of as many reef-keepers as possible to make the hobby more accessible, to improve the quality of life for more aquariums and prevent more tank failures?
That's what you would think; however, they've instead gone with the charge as much as possible from our customers like it's the 1960's business model. Its 2020, are you making products for the benefit and advancement of the hobby, or only alienating loads of reef keepers by trying to charge as much as humanly possible to increase profits? Can't you tone it down just a little bit?
Yes I care about my fish and corals, but Im not going to get taken for a ride and spend 4k on a tank so that I can have a semigloss finish on my wavemaker controller and get text alerts from a controller with basic 1990's technology and high-school level programming when I am on vacation. This stuff should be affordable.
Instead, I'll continue making snow angles in my pile of Jabeo wavemakers and return pumps while waiting patiently for an affordable aquarium controller from the asian markets - a market sector that companies like vortech and apex don't want to fill because they are too busy maxing out their profit margins.
Enough is enough.
Why was reef keeping originally started?
The goal of aquarium keeping is not to have a cool tank in your bedroom to impress your friends or brag about on the forums. We are propagating corals, fish, and potentially benefiting the oceans later on down the line. These American brands don't want to participate in that endeavor by reaching to mid grade aquarists. For affordable and quality aquarium equipment, we will have to look to the asian markets.
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