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I'm curious - can you say where that 95% surety comes from(that the conditioned fish don't have ich or velvet? I ask because - if thats the case - why do a QT protocol at all? I'm of the (personal) opinion, that if you have a protocol, you just follow it. I'm not sure why selling fish in the middle of a quarantine protocol (i.e. stopping the quarantine and shipping them - and I'm not sure you're doing this anyway) makes sense.Our conditioned fish go through freshwater dip and ONLY in very few species formalin dip. Then They goto sterile tank for 5-7 days. If they are not sold as conditioned in that first week we move them to copper and the qt process starts. They can still be sold as conditioned while they might be in copper and have not completed the full 14 days.
We do a prazi/metro bath on all fish (conditioned or qted) 24 hr prior to shipping.
I am 95% sure, even our conditioned fish dont have ich or velvet.
Sorry - another question - Why do some fish (conditioned) - from a science perspective not need a quarantine protocol in your opinion?Our conditioned fish go through freshwater dip and ONLY in very few species formalin dip. Then They goto sterile tank for 5-7 days. If they are not sold as conditioned in that first week we move them to copper and the qt process starts. They can still be sold as conditioned while they might be in copper and have not completed the full 14 days.
We do a prazi/metro bath on all fish (conditioned or qted) 24 hr prior to shipping.
I am 95% sure, even our conditioned fish dont have ich or velvet.
In 5 years of us buying from 2 perticular wholesalers (2 main we buy from) i have never seen ich or velvet. Reason: They run a very pure and tight system. Ozone, copper and all sorts of otther measures for them not to have an outbreak. Thus when we buy from them they are clean. They still need prazi and metro etc to cure them of flukes and internal parasites and while we are at it thats why we confident in just doing 14 days in copper and not 21-30 days.I'm curious - can you say where that 95% surety comes from(that the conditioned fish don't have ich or velvet? I ask because - if thats the case - why do a QT protocol at all? I'm of the (personal) opinion, that if you have a protocol, you just follow it. I'm not sure why selling fish in the middle of a quarantine protocol (i.e. stopping the quarantine and shipping them - and I'm not sure you're doing this anyway) makes sense.
They do and we never recommend that on our site either. we tell clients these are conditioned fish with a little head start towards qtying but you must finish your own protocol or if you are part of the group that doesnt qt at all then you take full responsibility and dont hold us accountable.Sorry - another question - Why do some fish (conditioned) - from a science perspective not need a quarantine protocol in your opinion?
Thats exactly the point.Reading this thread makes me INSANELY HAPPY to have a pre-qt fish supplier locally to me (TSM AQUATICS).
Regardless if a fish has gone through qt or not, I want to see the fish eat in person before I buy it. And to then have to re-stress the fish out through shipping (giving it more chances to get sick/die) after spending all that time getting them to destress and eat just doesn’t make sense to me.
If I had to deal with the horror stories I see and read like these I legit don’t think I’d keep fish, only corals.
For those that have been following through this thread. He followed through on his word of supplying me with the Midas Blenny and Royal Gramma. I don't think the customer service could be any better than that.
He's pretty much responded instantly on all of my questions. When I added things to the order he still didn't make me pay for shipping. If you're that confident in your work, I'll buy from you.Things like this make me want to make my purchases with these people. Daniel from Reefi has similar, near immediate responsive custom service
I have received 2 orders from Dr. Reef and a 3rd order is in QT. His level of service is honestly unbelievable, even more so having read this thread and understanding the scale of his operation. I have had one goby that died the first night in my tank and he worked with me to replace it with another quickly, including allowing me to switch to a different goby species and only paying the price difference. Unbelievably responsive and I highly recommend his services. I plan to continue to use him for all of my fish orders, except some invert orders will still go to reefcleaners (another vendor that is top notch in my experience).Chromis used to have internal uronema and we went to Kenya and import them from Africa and we have not seen 1 case of uronema anymore.
Uronema is pretty much in every tank and a fallow period won't kill it off unfortunately. But it's very rare it transmits so it's likely the chromis had it upon arrival at his shop.I have received 2 orders from Dr. Reef and a 3rd order is in QT. His level of service is honestly unbelievable, even more so having read this thread and understanding the scale of his operation. I have had one goby that died the first night in my tank and he worked with me to replace it with another quickly, including allowing me to switch to a different goby species and only paying the price difference. Unbelievably responsive and I highly recommend his services. I plan to continue to use him for all of my fish orders, except some invert orders will still go to reefcleaners (another vendor that is top notch in my experience).
I do have one comment regarding the Chromis and uronema. I ordered a Blue/Green Chromis that I received in December of last year and put it directly into a sterile QT tank for observation. It developed signs of uronema and died 6 days after I got it. I understood the risk with uronema and this species and it was inexpensive, so I wasn't upset or anything. But, per my experience, I don't believe the above statement about the new source being uronema-fee is correct (unless the change was within the last 4 months -- then please do correct me, and I might order one!). Pics attached were taken 1-2 days before the fish died.
PS thanks for unlocking the text/images on the website! that also frustrated me!
Agree - did you show what you received? I mean one is a queen angel - the other a blue-face - but how about a picture of what you received in your tank - In fact this should be in the vendor forum perhaps?I'm currently going through a wrong fish mix up with them unfortunately. Was sent a different angel and they're saying I was sent a blue face angel. As its one of my top three fish, I know what it looks like
Ordered https://drreefsquarantinedfish.com/product/blueface-angelfish-adult/
Received https://drreefsquarantinedfish.com/product/queen-angelfish-adult/ But I actually think it's a Blue not a queen because the coloring on the tail is different.
Just going to say 'disagree' - edit - 1. uronema is not in every tank. 2, it would be unlikely to be transmitted as described hereUronema is pretty much in every tank and a fallow period won't kill it off unfortunately. But it's very rare it transmits so it's likely the chromis had it upon arrival at his shop.
I mean I'll hear you out, I've only been I'm this hobby a little over a year so there's plenty to learnJust going to say 'disagree'