I want to see what you guys have in mind.
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Well this tank looks pretty good running leds, lol. No need to experiment.A cure for rtn/stn
A cure for ick in REEF tank
Led lights that can do true same results as metal halide lights.
Edit: A cure for ick I personality don't care much any more, but it sure would help a lot of new reefers.
even being able to just identify what it actually is, rather than just calling anything where tissue gets lost "stn or rtn". I feel like those are basically just a set of symptoms that could be caused by any numerous amount of things. is it caused by bacteria, a virus, a buildup of toxins inside the coral, nobody really has any clue at this point from what i can tell.Acropora stn/rtn. Lots of assumptions in the community, no proof.
I used to have a giant derasa (like 12"+) and frequently wondered this as well.A grouping common name coral types that tend to thrive with super high waste products and also those that will die/suffer at relatively low levels. There will be a whole bunch in the middle. I have no inclination to do this, but I could suggest a handful of Z&P that would melt and die once no3 reaches 10 or 20 but also many others that seemingly double in size quite often as no3 gets to 100. Acropora are the same way. I don' really keep LPS, so no idea. Purpose: I think that a lot of arguments could be avoided if people stopped just assuming that all "coral" act like the ones that survived in their tanks.
Another good one is how much no3 and po4 that a clam can filter from the water... like a 5-6" deresa. Purpose: because I have always wondered.
I think the answer would also be dependant on whether certain types of bacteria are exclusive free floaters vs surface growers. Not a microbiologist so I got no clue tbh.I agree that knowing the bacteria concentrations would be interesting and potentially useful. It’s more the diversity part I was questioning since that is much harder to quantify or correlate with anything we actually care about.
OK so you wondered about consumption from the clam you had... so when it left the system, what changes did you notice?even being able to just identify what it actually is, rather than just calling anything where tissue gets lost "stn or rtn". I feel like those are basically just a set of symptoms that could be caused by any numerous amount of things. is it caused by bacteria, a virus, a buildup of toxins inside the coral, nobody really has any clue at this point from what i can tell.
Edit: I also wouldn't be surprised to learn later on that more than one thing can cause what we describe as "STN" or "RTN".... i HIGHLY doubt its a single vector that causes all the different damages we see under numerous conditions.
I used to have a giant derasa (like 12"+) and frequently wondered this as well.
I never checked any of the levels on that system at all. never checked calcium or alk or any nutrients.... so i have no idea.OK so you wondered about consumption from the clam you had... so when it left the system, what changes did you notice?
Recall noticing anything visually?I never checked any of the levels on that system at all. never checked calcium or alk or any nutrients.... so i have no idea.
I did weekly water changes and it lived happily for over a decade before it broke its hinge and quickly parished.
Would you prefer we say, coral just die! I mean it's what's it happening basically, slow death or fast death!even being able to just identify what it actually is, rather than just calling anything where tissue gets lost "stn or rtn". I feel like those are basically just a set of symptoms that could be caused by any numerous amount of things. is it caused by bacteria, a virus, a buildup of toxins inside the coral, nobody really has any clue at this point from what i can tell.
Edit: I also wouldn't be surprised to learn later on that more than one thing can cause what we describe as "STN" or "RTN".... i HIGHLY doubt its a single vector that causes all the different damages we see under numerous conditions.
I used to have a giant derasa (like 12"+) and frequently wondered this as well.
i mean as of now, this is probably the best we can do since we don't know what it is. but id compare it to like going to a vet for your dog and them telling you "yup he's sick" and then not specifying weather its from a broken leg, a respiratory infection or cancer. just that they are "sick". Its kind of a useless moniker.Would you prefer we say, coral just die! I mean it's what's it happening basically, slow death or fast death!
Lol, totally agree,i mean as of now, this is probably the best we can do since we don't know what it is. but id compare it to like going to a vet for your dog and them telling you "yup he's sick" and then not specifying weather its from a broken leg, a respiratory infection or cancer. just that they are "sick". Its kind of a useless moniker.
I think you are giving modern medicine a lot more credit than it deserves. We absolutely DO NOT know every reason for death…Lol, totally agree,
But at same time, we only able to see coral dieing by tissue loss aka rtn or stn.
If comparing this to human health science, we can safely use term cardiac arrest is for final stage of human life. (Or any life) but the reasons for cardiac arrest are hundreds.... except the difference is for human health we know every reason for death.
For corals they just have scientific general name (rtn,stn) but no cure or why!
Think of how many scientific or medical discoveries were touted as FACT for decades only for us to learn in recent years we were completely wrong….Lol, totally agree,
But at same time, we only able to see coral dieing by tissue loss aka rtn or stn.
If comparing this to human health science, we can safely use term cardiac arrest is for final stage of human life. (Or any life) but the reasons for cardiac arrest are hundreds.... except the difference is for human health we know every reason for death.
For corals they just have scientific general name (rtn,stn) but no cure or why!
Think of how many scientific or medical discoveries were touted as FACT for decades only for us to learn in recent years we were completely wrong….
That happens ALL THE TIME.
Maybe the scientists you know don’t do that but basically the entire western medicine model is exactly like that.An actual scientist doesn't tout anything as an absolute. And things that are as close to facts as possible (an extremely well supported theory), are not very commonly found to be very wrong. Hypotheses are more commonly found to be incorrect.
Maybe the scientists you know don’t do that but basically the entire western medicine model is exactly like that.
Think of how many pharmaceutical drugs were deemed safe after lots of human testing and then went to market and then years or decades later we learned about other problems after people died
Things like this absolutely do happen all the time. And that’s my point. Every dr you went to before getting prescribed that medication that caused problems said it was safe, that was “fact” based on lots of papers and studies.
Then new facts come out proving the old facts false….
You’re focusing on the wrong part of my post just to be argumentative and for what? Just to be right? To stand up for scientists? lol
no offense but i feel like youre biased because yuore a scientist. MANY MANY MANY medical doctors absolutely talk like that to their normal everyday patients that dont have a phd or even a HS degree. because you don't see it doesnt mean it doesn't happen. because you dont deem them as knowledgeable folks doesnt mean it doesnt happen.That’s not how medical studies are discussed by knowledgeable folks. Test on 1,000 people and you will miss some one in a million effects that show up when a million people use it. Medical scientists know that.