yes, that and also let's face it. Well what I think is reefing is also an Art and with an art there's a value and philosophy behind that, a certain dignity we give whether it is to the fish in our tank or the oil pastel on our brush to canvas. Now I just don't see value to this art in having a tang in a small tank. It's kind of strange. I think midsize tanks are so cool. I don't even want large tank anymore. that might change I can't predict the future and LFS has some breathtaking species, etc. in large tanks yet There's so much to do and 40 gallons so much biodiversity you can put in them I'm not sure bigger is always better, unless you really want tangs and those really cool eel looking like creatures that I'm not sure what they're called
certainly those are not all 1.1 gallon tanks? If they are, I'm gonna get me a few micro nano tanks. ("pico") ?I hear you on the art perspective, and bigger is not always better. It’s different and can be appreciated in its own way
For example, my 1.1 gallon pico. This small of a tank means you can see things right up close instead of looking through a bunch of water
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It's a beautiful tank, but he must not have cats. Also, some of those fish are banging against the glass- that can't be good.
If one wants to be that obtuse and pedantic about it, sure. Why not put them in a fish bowl?
You can keep them in a shoebox too... is it right? Just because you CAN do something does not mean it is right, moral or acceptable even if (again) there is no enforcement. Your "experience" means nothing in this context.Reminds me of boa keepers telling me I must keep all boas in 8' x 4' cages regardless if male or female because they read it on the web yet question my 30 plus years collecting and actually breeding them.
You assume positively - the world is full of self serving blissful and willful ignorance... the blissful type is fixable (thus the "tang police"), the willful not so much ("it's my tank I can do what I want and you Tang Police people are idiots, my fish are HAPPY!!").I'm going to assume until told otherwise these are temporary quarters because I doubt one in the hobby that long going to keep that which don't fit in an 8 foot tank inside a fraction of it. If I'm going to assume. Perhaps assume positively
My experience means everything. Might not to you or others but I've actually experienced something others might just be regurgitating what told being my point and we do put babies in shoe boxes. Perfect analogy to 2" tangs in 40g yet my adults go in appropriately sized for sex, size and age. Internet doesn't know better than me on that because of my valued experience that those less knowing might want to follow vs dismissing. Perhaps don't be so dismissive unless you've walked in my shoes and know my life.
If we each had a penny for every person who said "I've been doing it this way for 30 years..." who is clearly doing whatever it is wrong, we would all be rich.
I don't know about anybody else, but I did not call you anything. Anyway, I didn't miss your point, I just don't particularly agree with it. I don't believe that we should all bite our tongues when/if we see something that we feel is out of place and especially when that something is presented for comment. Dissent and being unkind are two different things.
but remember the actual police and us being able to report people for animal abuse
You might be irked at some of the sanctimony with the whole tang police thing…I get it…Some math. 2” fish in a 15g tank would have 24” of swimming space length wise, 12” back to front and some 30” diagonally. Same fish full grown at 12” would require minimum 6x that 15 to have the same room to roam and due to being also taller and wider might be actually 50x bigger. Saying that 2” don’t fit in a 15 but somehow fits in a 300 isn’t logical.
Threw a dozen plus 2” hippo tangs into a single 15 where’s they were previously each in individual 15s and what used to be fish hiding behind standpipes became a group that didn’t mind customers approaching including those who thought tapping glass was fun. Actual experience from 30 years ago.
Seems insane to me we concluded X gallons bad yet I know of one large public aquarium with whale sharks and lots have orcas in what equates to kiddy pools compared to the ocean they were from.
Outside of not keeping. We do the best we can. Know this. Once my build gets within six months of completion. I’ll start seeking my school of powders. In a tang police not approved box they go. Because experience tells me it can
I'm all about reducing stress but that fish has been rehomed several times before ending up in our tanks. Fact is it likely went into QT at our place and having it sit in a 40 for an extended period might not be the worse its experienced. The entire industry based on fish moving constantly. Plus if one has an already established monster tank that little fish may not be best suited until it gets some meat on it's bones. Just looking at the fact there are no hard and fast rules yet we tend to provide as with those telling me all boas need an 8ft long cage which is farthest from the truth.
Yeah in fact even if the fish is in the same tank, new additions add stress. And that whole thing with Killer whales at Sea world that are essentially in a swimming pool, is real….but they also can murder their handlers in protest
