Yellowhead jawfish injured, what medications should I use?

[Ocypode sinensis]

Just got my yellowhead jawfish today, found out that he got an injury on his head, what should I do?
Currently in a TTM quarantine, along with three butterflies.
@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

 

[vetteguy53081]

This guy can go without a meal for a couple of days. Althought there are options, saltwater fish have the ability to recover and heal quickly from injuriwes. As long as there are NO infections, let it take its course and dont feed to allow little use of facial and jaw muscles for healing.
However, should bacterial or similar develop, would not hurt to have on hand in advance. . . Maracyn 2 and/or ruby Rally reef pro

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Just got my yellowhead jawfish today, found out that he got an injury on his head, what should I do?
Currently in a TTM quarantine, along with three butterflies.
@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

Ah, I don't think TTM is the best treatment for jawfish - they really need to be able to create a burrow. The snout damage may well be from the fish rubbing against the plastic containers during its transport through the supply chain. These are frequently caught in Haiti. Because they fight and burrow, the collectors hold them in either plastic bags or tiny containers. They stay this way until they reach the LFS, and sometimes not until you get them. To hold them out of a burrow through TTM just adds to that stress. However, of course you can't quarantine a jawfish with copper if there is substrate present and they don't handle hyposalinity well, so this is one of the few fish I will use observational quarantine on - holding them for 45 days in a stable tank with no other fish.

Jay

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

Ah, I don't think TTM is the best treatment for jawfish - they really need to be able to create a burrow. The snout damage may well be from the fish rubbing against the plastic containers during its transport through the supply chain. These are frequently caught in Haiti. Because they fight and burrow, the collectors hold them in either plastic bags or tiny containers. They stay this way until they reach the LFS, and sometimes not until you get them. To hold them out of a burrow through TTM just adds to that stress. However, of course you can't quarantine a jawfish with copper if there is substrate present and they don't handle hyposalinity well, so this is one of the few fish I will use observational quarantine on - holding them for 45 days in a stable tank with no other fish.

Jay

I think the wound is a bruise caused by the mesh used to seal the PVC pipe...
Another question, I've also got a banded butterfly that has a leaking bag upon arrival, dying. I tried my best and he can swim by himself now, but his scales were blown. currently, I have Erythromycin ointment and Cefixime capsules, can I use them to tackle bacterial infections? If so, what's the dosing? (Also got a few other anti-biotics but they are too strong I think.)

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

This guy can go without a meal for a couple of days. Althought there are options, saltwater fish have the ability to recover and heal quickly from injuriwes. As long as there are NO infections, let it take its course and dont feed to allow little use of facial and jaw muscles for healing.
However, should bacterial or similar develop, would not hurt to have on hand in advance. . . Maracyn 2 and/or ruby Rally reef pro

Where can I get my hands on maracyn 2? I had only seen maracyn oxy being sold. Also wanna ask where can I get some Furazolidone...

 

[Jib]

What does TTM stand for?

 

[vetteguy53081]

What does TTM stand for?

TTM = tank transfer method

maracyn 2. - pet smart, big Als pets and similar

 

[kingjoe]

Where can I get my hands on maracyn 2? I had only seen maracyn oxy being sold. Also wanna ask where can I get some Furazolidone...

I just picked up some Maracyn 2 on chewy.com. Took 4-5 days to ship.

 

[vetteguy53081]

What does TTM stand for?

Also- although not an actual medication, api nelafix may also help

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

I just picked up some Maracyn 2 on chewy.com. Took 4-5 days to ship.

Thanks!

 

[billysprout]

do y'all have any recommendations on how to get this species to build a real burrow? mine are just curled up in shells/corners and i'm worried it's stressing them out.

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

do y'all have any recommendations on how to get this species to build a real burrow? mine are just curled up in shells/corners and i'm worried it's stressing them out.

I heard that you could plug a piece of PVC tube into the sand bed and clear it empty, usually it will use the pipe as a starting point of its burrow... sounds reasonable but haven't tried it out yet personally

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

Also- although not an actual medication, api nelafix may also help

Does the api melafix for freshwater works in saltwater?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I think the wound is a bruise caused by the mesh used to seal the PVC pipe...
Another question, I've also got a banded butterfly that has a leaking bag upon arrival, dying. I tried my best and he can swim by himself now, but his scales were blown. currently, I have Erythromycin ointment and Cefixime capsules, can I use them to tackle bacterial infections? If so, what's the dosing? (Also got a few other anti-biotics but they are too strong I think.)

I'm not sure what you mean by its scales being "blown". Can you provide a pic of that? I don't think that topical meds will work for that. I don't have a dose for Cefixime - it is a cephalosporin antibiotic, but my references don't list it for use with fish.

Jay

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

I'm not sure what you mean by its scales being "blown". Can you provide a pic of that? I don't think that topical meds will work for that. I don't have a dose for Cefixime - it is a cephalosporin antibiotic, but my references don't list it for use with fish.

Jay

Sorry for my bad wording cuz my native language is not English...
He lost some scales and there were wounds on him, some scales don't seem to be attached firmly so they break out a little bit. Attached are some photos of him

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Sorry for my bad wording cuz my native language is not English...
He lost some scales and there were wounds on him, some scales don't seem to be attached firmly so they break out a little bit. Attached are some photos of him

Oh - the butterflyfish has a serious issue. A fish's skin is a barrier against fluid flooding out of the fish due to osmotic pressure. This amount of skin damage is going to make it difficult for the butterfly fish to control its blood fluid levels. It might help if the specific gravity of the tank is kept a bit lower - 1.020

So what is causing this? I see three common causes: bacterial infection, ammonia burns or Uronema. Trouble is, Uronema can't be treated. I presume the fish isn't in high ammonia water now, but if it was recently shipped, that may be the cause. A broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic in a treatment tank would be what to try if it is a bacterial infection - Neoplex, Furan-2 perhaps.

Jay

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

Oh - the butterflyfish has a serious issue. A fish's skin is a barrier against fluid flooding out of the fish due to osmotic pressure. This amount of skin damage is going to make it difficult for the butterfly fish to control its blood fluid levels. It might help if the specific gravity of the tank is kept a bit lower - 1.020

So what is causing this? I see three common causes: bacterial infection, ammonia burns or Uronema. Trouble is, Uronema can't be treated. I presume the fish isn't in high ammonia water now, but if it was recently shipped, that may be the cause. A broad spectrum, gram negative antibiotic in a treatment tank would be what to try if it is a bacterial infection - Neoplex, Furan-2 perhaps.

Jay

I think it's ammonia burn... It's dead now...
The reef butterfly also has part of his skin being a pinkish color, how do I tackle it, I do 100% water change daily and I dose seachem prime so currently there shouldn't be that much ammonia. Also bought ruby rally reef pro.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I think it's ammonia burn... It's dead now...
The reef butterfly also has part of his skin being a pinkish color, how do I tackle it, I do 100% water change daily and I dose seachem prime so currently there shouldn't be that much ammonia. Also bought ruby rally reef pro.

Ammonia can be tricky, I was just thinking of ammonia in the shipping bag, if you have ammonia in the tank itself, then that is another issue. I've seen cases where 100% water changes daily couldn't control ammonia...depends on the bioload. Prime helps, but it is difficult to tell, since the ammonia may still show on your tests, even though it has been detoxified.

Jay

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

Ammonia can be tricky, I was just thinking of ammonia in the shipping bag, if you have ammonia in the tank itself, then that is another issue. I've seen cases where 100% water changes daily couldn't control ammonia...depends on the bioload. Prime helps, but it is difficult to tell, since the ammonia may still show on your tests, even though it has been detoxified.

Jay

I just don't test ammonia in the bucket, but I change 100% water anytime I smell something fishy, on the basis of routine daily 1000% change...
I believe that the pinkish color on the reef butterfly is also caused by ammonia buildup right?

 

[Ocypode sinensis]

This guy can go without a meal for a couple of days. Althought there are options, saltwater fish have the ability to recover and heal quickly from injuriwes. As long as there are NO infections, let it take its course and dont feed to allow little use of facial and jaw muscles for healing.
However, should bacterial or similar develop, would not hurt to have on hand in advance. . . Maracyn 2 and/or ruby Rally reef pro

Questions on Ruby rally reef pro, is it a comparatively mild medication? Will it bring more stress on fishies?