Jaubert systems is kinda swimming against the tide nowadays. That's why I'm trying one of it. You are a big inspiration.
25 year old 75G Jaubert Plenum on top with 30G EcoSystem Mud/Macro
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@besskurtz
Tell me about your dream system.
After 20 yrs of Jaubert plenum, 5 yrs ago, I reversed the flow and reduced depth of sandbed from 6” to 2”. The Jaubert Plenum focused on bacteria to perform denitrification in an oxygen reducing environment. Instead, I choose to inoculate sand bed with diverse micro fauna & fana in an oxygen rich environment, establishing diverse food webs that recycle inorganic & organics nutrients up the food chain as live food for hungry mouths.
I now use cryptic sponges as the third leg of biofiltration in my systems along with bacteria & algae to recycle DOC into food for coral using the microbial loop. If you like instrumentation, Its a positive feedback circuit
PS: Tank is 36 hrs into chemi clean treatment.
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@besskurtz
Tell me about your dream system.
After 20 yrs of Jaubert plenum, 5 yrs ago, I reversed the flow and reduced depth of sandbed from 6” to 2”. The Jaubert Plenum focused on bacteria to perform denitrification in an oxygen reducing environment. Instead, I choose to inoculate sand bed with diverse micro fauna & fana in an oxygen rich environment, establishing diverse food webs that recycle inorganic & organics nutrients up the food chain as live food for hungry mouths.
I now use cryptic sponges as the third leg of biofiltration in my systems along with bacteria & algae to recycle DOC into food for coral using the microbial loop. If you like instrumentation, Its a positive feedback circuit
PS: Tank is 36 hrs into chemi clean treatment.
@besskurtz
Tell me about your dream system.
After 20 yrs of Jaubert plenum, 5 yrs ago, I reversed the flow and reduced depth of sandbed from 6” to 2”. The Jaubert Plenum focused on bacteria to perform denitrification in an oxygen reducing environment. Instead, I choose to inoculate sand bed with diverse micro fauna & fana in an oxygen rich environment, establishing diverse food webs that recycle inorganic & organics nutrients up the food chain as live food for hungry mouths.
I now use cryptic sponges as the third leg of biofiltration in my systems along with bacteria & algae to recycle DOC into food for coral using the microbial loop. If you like instrumentation, Its a positive feedback circuit
PS: Tank is 36 hrs into chemi clean treatment.
Your tank looks great. Water is cristal clear.
Well my Dream tank is probably my retirement plan . Something like a 200 gal shallow volcano tank. My plan is to live at the beach, so water and critters I will collected myself. - I used to do this in Brazil. I was always afraid to collected crabs, but I will learn on the fly
I had to read a lot about cryptic filtration cuz I never heard about this concept. But this is very interesting. I woudl say my bowl has some cryptic areas where I spotted a big bristleworm some days ago.
What I have to learn more is about sponges and when I could add them.
Another question, is how do you inoculate your sand bed?
Subsea
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“Another question, is how do you inoculate your sand bed?”
When setting up a brand new system, I first establish nitrogen cycle with dry substrate & bottled bacteria, then I get uncured diver collected live rock and some diver collected live sand and add to tank. This establishes diverse micro fauna & fana. Janitors are next to add, detrivores are larger members of your clean up crew.
with your established system in a bowl, I recomend IndoPacific SeaFarm in Hawai.
Mama Mia Worms™
The common name of these deposit-feeding annelids from the family Terrebellidae is Spaghetti Worms. But let's face it - how many people can spell "spaghetti" correctly on the first try? We sure couldn't. Hence the name, Mama Mia. These highly active worms have bright red buccal tentacles which extend out over the sand bed to gather suitably sized particulate materials, which they "lasso" by tentacular contraction. It's fascinating to watch, and it sure beats vacuuming your sand bed. Here's a bonus: you can count on Mama Mia worms to reproduce in your tank because they have direct development (no planktonic stage). Specimens average approx. 1/2 "-1" in length with tentacles extended. 100% captive-bred by IPSF.
Baby BristleWorms™
Most experienced reefkeepers strongly believe in the beneficial effects of bristle worms on the sand bed. We hold the view that bristle worms and other sand bed scavengers are vitally important components of reef ecosystems, both captive and wild. Our Baby Bristle Worms package comes with 6 fine young specimens, all about 0.5 - 1.0 inches in length. Our clams and corals are grown in commercial mariculture tanks in close proximity with literally thousands of happily breeding bristleworms. Simply put, bristleworms are to reef tanks what earthworms are to gardens. Bristle worms constantly stir the reef tank sand bed and help keep it aerobic. They consume uneaten fish food and fish waste, preventing dead and decaying organic matter from accumulating on top of the sand bed. Baby Bristle Worms will mature rapidly and reproduce to levels that are consistent with the available resources (food and space) in your reef tank. 100% Captive-Bred.
When setting up a brand new system, I first establish nitrogen cycle with dry substrate & bottled bacteria, then I get uncured diver collected live rock and some diver collected live sand and add to tank. This establishes diverse micro fauna & fana. Janitors are next to add, detrivores are larger members of your clean up crew.
with your established system in a bowl, I recomend IndoPacific SeaFarm in Hawai.
: : : : Indo-Pacific Sea Farms : : : :
Indo-Pacific Sea Farms produces captive-bred marine life for healthier reef aquariums: invertebrates, detritivores, live sand, snail grazers, amphipods, beneficial worms, macro algae, plankton, corals, coral food and beneficial bacteria.
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: : : : Indo-Pacific Sea Farms : : : :
Indo-Pacific Sea Farms produces captive-bred marine life for healthier reef aquariums: invertebrates, detritivores, live sand, snail grazers, amphipods, beneficial worms, macro algae, plankton, corals, coral food and beneficial bacteria.
ipsf.com
Mama Mia Worms™
The common name of these deposit-feeding annelids from the family Terrebellidae is Spaghetti Worms. But let's face it - how many people can spell "spaghetti" correctly on the first try? We sure couldn't. Hence the name, Mama Mia. These highly active worms have bright red buccal tentacles which extend out over the sand bed to gather suitably sized particulate materials, which they "lasso" by tentacular contraction. It's fascinating to watch, and it sure beats vacuuming your sand bed. Here's a bonus: you can count on Mama Mia worms to reproduce in your tank because they have direct development (no planktonic stage). Specimens average approx. 1/2 "-1" in length with tentacles extended. 100% captive-bred by IPSF.
Baby BristleWorms™
Most experienced reefkeepers strongly believe in the beneficial effects of bristle worms on the sand bed. We hold the view that bristle worms and other sand bed scavengers are vitally important components of reef ecosystems, both captive and wild. Our Baby Bristle Worms package comes with 6 fine young specimens, all about 0.5 - 1.0 inches in length. Our clams and corals are grown in commercial mariculture tanks in close proximity with literally thousands of happily breeding bristleworms. Simply put, bristleworms are to reef tanks what earthworms are to gardens. Bristle worms constantly stir the reef tank sand bed and help keep it aerobic. They consume uneaten fish food and fish waste, preventing dead and decaying organic matter from accumulating on top of the sand bed. Baby Bristle Worms will mature rapidly and reproduce to levels that are consistent with the available resources (food and space) in your reef tank. 100% Captive-Bred.
Subsea
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“I had to read a lot about cryptic filtration cuz I never heard about this concept. But this is very interesting. I woudl say my bowl has some cryptic areas where I spotted a big bristleworm some days ago.”
Steve Tyree first spoke of cryptic zone filtration 20 years ago. More recently, cryptic sponge biochemistry by Dutch scientist has opened up how the microbial loop cycles detritus sloughed off by cryptic sponges up the food chain as live food. When analyzed by depletion of DOC and processed into biomass, showed cryptic sponges doubling in size every 7 hours but for detritus accumulated as MULM.
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Steve Tyree first spoke of cryptic zone filtration 20 years ago. More recently, cryptic sponge biochemistry by Dutch scientist has opened up how the microbial loop cycles detritus sloughed off by cryptic sponges up the food chain as live food. When analyzed by depletion of DOC and processed into biomass, showed cryptic sponges doubling in size every 7 hours but for detritus accumulated as MULM.
"Mulm" in a reef tank
I think one of the most important, and least understood or mentioned things in a reef tank is "mulm". That stuff that grows in the dark portions of a tank if it is set up long enough. "Mulm" is a combination of algae, sponges, bacteria, pods, worms, detritus, poop and any thing else that can be p...
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Subsea
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@besskurzYour tank looks great. Water is cristal clear.
Well my Dream tank is probably my retirement plan . Something like a 200 gal shallow volcano tank. My plan is to live at the beach, so water and critters I will collected myself. - I used to do this in Brazil. I was always afraid to collected crabs, but I will learn on the fly
I had to read a lot about cryptic filtration cuz I never heard about this concept. But this is very interesting. I woudl say my bowl has some cryptic areas where I spotted a big bristleworm some days ago.
What I have to learn more is about sponges and when I could add them.
Another question, is how do you inoculate your sand bed?
Feeling nostalgic, I was rereading my tank thread and found you again. I am very impressed with your Jaubert in a bowl during the last year. To accomplish that, your attention to detail was stellar. I marvel at that!
I was introduced to “Dynamic Equilibrium” in Sept of 1971 with my first semester as an Aggie freshman in The Texas Maritime Academy. Oceeaneering 101 emphasized the Laws Of Nature which controlled the processes to buffer the ocean using the 1 & 2 Laws of Thermodynamics, which address the solubility of carbon dioxide in water and the solubility of limestone in water.
NOTE: Dynamic equilibrium is an example of a system in a steady state.
An example of dynamic equilibrium is NO2(g) + CO(g) ⇌ NO(g) + CO2(g) (again, as long as the two rates are equal). Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) reacts with carbon monoxide (CO) to form nitrogen oxide (NO) and carbon dioxide (CO2), and, in the reverse reaction, nitrogen oxide and carbon dioxide react to form nitrogen dioxide and carbon monoxide
IPSF is great...but they wont ship DIRECT to your home..they will send to a ups or fedex center and have u pick it up there in person...if that is convenient to you , then fine..if not - It can be a bit of a hassle to order from them
Subsea
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| Why choose ipsf.com? We are true pioneers in reef health and restoration, leading and assisting reef conservation programs in 17 Indo-Pacific nations beginning more than 25 years ago. We wrote the original book on Giant Clam Farming and developed the technology that now brings captive-bred tridacnid clams to marine aquariums the world over. More. |
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Good morning. Why shipping comment just now?,
Why NOT ? I think people should be aware of the pros & cons of any online vendor ... I would have to drive 50 miles to pickup an order from them ..Thats why -I don't ... for those that live in more populated urban areas -that wont be a concern..IPSF is great and Gerald Heslinga goes waaay back in the hobby ...to minimize losses and claims -he insists on shipping to a facility rather than directly to your home...what's the problem -Sub ?
Subsea
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Kudos: Thank you for the thought,
I had the privilege of drinking Irish whiskey listening to Gerald’s Wisdom at a conference in Fort Worth, Texas. I had made several purchases from IndoPacificSeaFarm that brought in the key players in recycling inorganic & organic nutrients threw multiple nutrient pathways and thanked him with a toast of Irish Wiskey.
I don’t know current shipping policy. I had shipments to different homesites for 20 years. We discussed not getting warranty replacement and I agreed. I never lost anything from IPSF live shipments.
Gerald Hesslinger, passed on an opportunity to pursue a Doctorate at Harvard, so he could assist islanders in the Indo-Pacific establish Clam Farms, to feed their Families, then Walt Smith & he consult with the locals and establish coral farms to feed hungry “reef hobiest”.
Subsea
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The Art of being a good steward with things is to put yourself in their world. It was easy for me to be Jacque Cotsteau. For 30 years, I worked on and in the Deep Blue as a Senior Subsea Engineer, responsible for BOP and Well Control in Deepwater Drilling.
I worked for Transocean when this happened. I had passed on the opportunity to staff her. Before I retired, Transocean drilled the relief well to kill this blowout. While I read the preliminary USCG & MMS report, I had never seen the final analysis.
This was an excellent technical report.
An Apprentice, a Navy Nuclear Machinist Mate, and A Friend meet Neptune and crossed the Rainbow Bridge when the Horizon Went Down.
And I salute him.
I worked for Transocean when this happened. I had passed on the opportunity to staff her. Before I retired, Transocean drilled the relief well to kill this blowout. While I read the preliminary USCG & MMS report, I had never seen the final analysis.
This was an excellent technical report.
An Apprentice, a Navy Nuclear Machinist Mate, and A Friend meet Neptune and crossed the Rainbow Bridge when the Horizon Went Down.
And I salute him.
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Thanks @Subsea! Im sure that I could not reach this level without your help. Thanks once more.
Im now scratching my head with low MG readings but I will post later more in my thread.
Oil drilling is something that always fascinated me. The company I work for - Rexroth - when the pre-salt oil drilling was a big thing in Brazil, used to machine a large stainless steel manifold - it was like 60inch tall - which people told me it was used in Christmas threes.
Subsea
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Our subsea bop weighed 200 tons with 18“ diameter and 15,000psi working pressure,
The Christmas Tree in production serves the same function as does the BOP in drilling. When Nobel Drilling worked for Petrobras in Brazil we set subsea production trees that weighed 50 tons and stood 30’ tall in 5000’ of water.
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Samuel Cook[5] (January 22, 1931[6] – December 11, 1964),[5]known professionally as Sam Cooke, was an American singerand songwriter. Considered one of the most influential soul artists of all time, Cooke is commonly referred to as the "King of Soul" for his distinctive vocals, pioneering contributions to the genre, and significance in popular music.[7] During his eight-year career, Cooke released 29 singles that charted in the Top 40 of the Billboard Pop Singles chart, as well as 20 singles in the Top Ten of Billboard's Black Singles chart. In 1964, Cooke was shot and killed by the manager of a motel in Los Angeles.[8] After an inquest and investigation, the courts ruled Cooke's death to be a justifiable homicide.[9] His family has since questioned the circumstances of his death.
So much for information on the internet, because in 2013, Sam Cook sang with Brian Owens. This is Sam Cook in 1963.
So much for information on the internet, because in 2013, Sam Cook sang with Brian Owens. This is Sam Cook in 1963.
Subsea
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“Hi there - intrigued by use of reverse flow UG filter - can you please give me details on how you have your system set up? Much appreciated !”
@drbrivers
Thank you for your request. Ask all the questions that you want.
Coincidently, I received a reminder today to update my build thread. It’s best we don’t hijack someone else’s thread.
The 75G display & 30G mud/algae refugium is more than 25 years mature. I bought it used with miracle mud. Display was set up with 6” DSB & Jaubert plenum for 20 years. During that time detritus in mud filter increased in depth by 3/4” and felt spongy to the touch.
Five years ago, I emulated @Paul B and upgraded to reverse flow ug filter and 2” substrate.
@drbrivers
Thank you for your request. Ask all the questions that you want.
Coincidently, I received a reminder today to update my build thread. It’s best we don’t hijack someone else’s thread.
The 75G display & 30G mud/algae refugium is more than 25 years mature. I bought it used with miracle mud. Display was set up with 6” DSB & Jaubert plenum for 20 years. During that time detritus in mud filter increased in depth by 3/4” and felt spongy to the touch.
Five years ago, I emulated @Paul B and upgraded to reverse flow ug filter and 2” substrate.
vlangel
Seahorse whisperer
Patrick, now that it's been a few years using the reverse flow UG compared to the DSB & Jaubert plenum; do you have any comments comparing the 2 methods?
Subsea
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@vlangel
In general, they both work well.
The Jaubert plenum end goal was to reduce nitrate and it did that well using bacteria and reduction chemistry in low oxygen enviroment. However, with a 25 year mature system, the coral is the biofilter and I now dose ammonia every day. and still have zero nitrate.
I can compare them more, but not at the moment.
Dawn,
If you don’t mind, I will make this a new thread or add it to Nutrient Management thread, both of which are on Reef Discusion Forum.
In general, they both work well.
The Jaubert plenum end goal was to reduce nitrate and it did that well using bacteria and reduction chemistry in low oxygen enviroment. However, with a 25 year mature system, the coral is the biofilter and I now dose ammonia every day. and still have zero nitrate.
I can compare them more, but not at the moment.
Dawn,
If you don’t mind, I will make this a new thread or add it to Nutrient Management thread, both of which are on Reef Discusion Forum.
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Subsea
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I batch dose liquid ammonia. In all cases, if I remember, daily dose 1 hour after lights on. In the case of seaweed growout tanks, I dose a second time at 6 hours into light cycle.
At present, I dose 20ml into a mature 75G mixed reef. In the case of 55G seaweed growout tank, I dose 40 ml twice a day and I can’t detect nitrates with hobby test kits.
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