Brooklynella? Treatment?

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We recently discovered that our two clowns have what appears to be brooklynella (see pics). This occurred after receiving an order of new fish, the third order we’ve received in the last several months. I’ve copied the email we went the seller below for further context.

In their response, they diagnosed the brook and argued it was laying dormant in the clowns and emerged as a stress response due to the introduction of the most recent new fish. They recommended copper or formalin to treat. From reading R2R threads, it didn’t sound like copper was effective. We’re concerned about the toxicity of formalin because we have a young child in the house. We’ve read that Ruby Reef Rally Pro could work (we ordered some that will arrive tomorrow) but we wanted to confirm a few things:

(1) Do you agree with the brook diagnosis?
(2) Can Ruby Reef Rally Pro work for brook?
(3) If so, can it be placed directly into our display tank? We have fish and snails, no other inverts or corals (but do plan to add them in the future)?
(4) Is there anything we should/can do in advance of the arrival of the Ruby Reef Rally?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

EMAIL TO SELLER
I'm happy to have a phone call to discuss this, but I think that we did end up with something (we're too new to this to know what) either from the DOA gramma, the McCoskers that we received on Sept. 20 or the Tomini that arrived on Oct. 11. I had previously emailed about the McCoskers, since when it died a few days after arrival it looked like it was covered in ich or something, and was told to keep an eye on the tank. We have been, and didn't notice anything, but we've had the lights turned off until now since we didn't want to invite algae without having a CUC.

Some background on the tank and current situation:
After the gramma died, also covered in a white film, we turned on the lights today to check and our clownfish are clearly ill. Pictures below. We think the Tomini is also showing it on its fins but it's too unsettled by the lights and keeps darting into its cave when we try to approach.

Other than the clownfish, every living thing in our tank was from [SELLER]. We got the clownfish, our first fish, in March from a local fish store and within a few days found they had ich. So we removed them from the display tank and put them in a tank running copper power as outlined on the bottle. During and following that, the main tank was kept fallow with the temp bumped up to 83 for 60 days before we reintroduced the clownfish. Then after observing them and not seeing any signs of ich recurrence, we made our first order from [SELLER] in June. We've then had no signs that we noticed until that McCoskers. I don't want to be accusing you without merit, we just don't understand how our fish could now be showing signs of illness unless it was from one of our [SELLER] orders.

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We recently discovered that our two clowns have what appears to be brooklynella (see pics). This occurred after receiving an order of new fish, the third order we’ve received in the last several months. I’ve copied the email we went the seller below for further context.

In their response, they diagnosed the brook and argued it was laying dormant in the clowns and emerged as a stress response due to the introduction of the most recent new fish. They recommended copper or formalin to treat. From reading R2R threads, it didn’t sound like copper was effective. We’re concerned about the toxicity of formalin because we have a young child in the house. We’ve read that Ruby Reef Rally Pro could work (we ordered some that will arrive tomorrow) but we wanted to confirm a few things:

(1) Do you agree with the brook diagnosis?
(2) Can Ruby Reef Rally Pro work for brook?
(3) If so, can it be placed directly into our display tank? We have fish and snails, no other inverts or corals (but do plan to add them in the future)?
(4) Is there anything we should/can do in advance of the arrival of the Ruby Reef Rally?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

EMAIL TO SELLER
I'm happy to have a phone call to discuss this, but I think that we did end up with something (we're too new to this to know what) either from the DOA gramma, the McCoskers that we received on Sept. 20 or the Tomini that arrived on Oct. 11. I had previously emailed about the McCoskers, since when it died a few days after arrival it looked like it was covered in ich or something, and was told to keep an eye on the tank. We have been, and didn't notice anything, but we've had the lights turned off until now since we didn't want to invite algae without having a CUC.

Some background on the tank and current situation:
After the gramma died, also covered in a white film, we turned on the lights today to check and our clownfish are clearly ill. Pictures below. We think the Tomini is also showing it on its fins but it's too unsettled by the lights and keeps darting into its cave when we try to approach.

Other than the clownfish, every living thing in our tank was from [SELLER]. We got the clownfish, our first fish, in March from a local fish store and within a few days found they had ich. So we removed them from the display tank and put them in a tank running copper power as outlined on the bottle. During and following that, the main tank was kept fallow with the temp bumped up to 83 for 60 days before we reintroduced the clownfish. Then after observing them and not seeing any signs of ich recurrence, we made our first order from [SELLER] in June. We've then had no signs that we noticed until that McCoskers. I don't want to be accusing you without merit, we just don't understand how our fish could now be showing signs of illness unless it was from one of our [SELLER] orders.

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Yes brook. The most significant sign is the amount of slime on its body which is noticeable on the fish. This mucus generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus.
Start with a prolonged 60 minute bath of ruby rally pro then at a lower concentration in a quarantine tank. The longer the fish are exposed to the treatment, the more effective it will be at eliminating this issue.
Since a formalin solution is often not available for use, temporary relief can be achieved by giving the fish a FW bath or dip in water same temperature as display tank. Even though this treatment will not cure the disease, it can help to remove some of the parasites, as well as reduce the amount of mucus in the gills to assist with respiration problems.
Treatment is best done in a QT tank using either quick cure (more effective but now harder to find) or Ruby Rally Pro. Ruby takes a little longer and initial treatment generally takes 2-3 days to really start going to work.
With the advanced stage of this- I recommend immediate quarantine of all inhabitants and leaving display without fish for 4-6 weeks.
 

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I agree - looks like Brooklynella. Formalin would work best, but as you know, it isn’t safe to use in homes. Ruby Reef is your next best option. Good luck!
 

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As the guys above said I agree. But please act now, Brooklynella does not mess around and these fish are already infected at an advanced stage. Start with the double dose dip of RRRP for 90min asap.

Good luck and let us know how they are over the next few days.
 
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As the guys above said I agree. But please act now, Brooklynella does not mess around and these fish are already infected at an advanced stage. Start with the double dose dip of RRRP for 90min asap.

Good luck and let us know how they are over the next few days.
Thanks to all for the responses! We had to order the RRRR for overnight delivery, should be here today (no local suppliers unfortunately). We’ll do a double dose dip as soon as it arrives. We did a freshwater bath last night. We’re setting up a QT tank this morning.

We’re still curious: could the brooklynella have been laying dormant in our clowns for 6-7 months as the seller suggested? We fallowed our tank so we don’t believe it stuck around there.

Thanks again for all of the responses. We’ll post updates in the short term.
 

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Thanks to all for the responses! We had to order the RRRR for overnight delivery, should be here today (no local suppliers unfortunately). We’ll do a double dose dip as soon as it arrives. We did a freshwater bath last night. We’re setting up a QT tank this morning.

We’re still curious: could the brooklynella have been laying dormant in our clowns for 6-7 months as the seller suggested? We fallowed our tank so we don’t believe it stuck around there.

Thanks again for all of the responses. We’ll post updates in the short term.
I forgot to address that in my first post as it was not revelant to the immediate health of the fish.

In my experience that is one of the wildest theories I have heard and I'm a little shocked they thought to tell you that.
 

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(1) Do you agree with the brook diagnosis?
Yes
(2) Can Ruby Reef Rally Pro work for brook?
Yes

(3) If so, can it be placed directly into our display tank? We have fish and snails, no other inverts or corals (but do plan to add them in the future)?
Yes. however expect snail deaths. The medication will not affect future coral
(4) Is there anything we should/can do in advance of the arrival of the Ruby Reef Rally?
Keep excellent water parameters - lower stress (perhaps lower lighting) - try to feed excellent foods.
 
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UPDATE and request for HELP (with apologies for the delay!): we removed our fish to a quarantine tank. We treated daily with Ruby Reef Pro for multiple weeks due to severity of infection. During that time we did lose a few fish sadly (two firefish and a tomini). Our female clown had her fins nipped pretty badly while she was struggling and we noticed she developed what appeared to be a secondary infection so began treating with Seachem NeoPlex (two treatments since Nov 22).

We thought things were calmed down and our remaining fish stable, but yesterday noticed what appears to be whitish spots/flakes on the female clown’s back (see pics). It looks a bit like ich but also seems more wispy/flakey than ich so aren’t sure our next best steps and how to treat. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Our display tank will be fallow until January.
 

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UPDATE and request for HELP (with apologies for the delay!): we removed our fish to a quarantine tank. We treated daily with Ruby Reef Pro for multiple weeks due to severity of infection. During that time we did lose a few fish sadly (two firefish and a tomini). Our female clown had her fins nipped pretty badly while she was struggling and we noticed she developed what appeared to be a secondary infection so began treating with Seachem NeoPlex (two treatments since Nov 22).

We thought things were calmed down and our remaining fish stable, but yesterday noticed what appears to be whitish spots/flakes on the female clown’s back (see pics). It looks a bit like ich but also seems more wispy/flakey than ich so aren’t sure our next best steps and how to treat. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Our display tank will be fallow until January.
This looks to me like it is a continuation of the brooklynella. Did you try the three hour higher dose Rally Pro disabling with adding it to the tank?
 
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This looks to me like it is a continuation of the brooklynella. Did you try the three hour higher dose Rally Pro disabling with adding it to the tank?
We did a 1.5 hr RR double dose as our initial treatment in a separate container before treating the entire QT tank at standard dosage for 20 days.
 

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UPDATE and request for HELP (with apologies for the delay!): we removed our fish to a quarantine tank. We treated daily with Ruby Reef Pro for multiple weeks due to severity of infection. During that time we did lose a few fish sadly (two firefish and a tomini). Our female clown had her fins nipped pretty badly while she was struggling and we noticed she developed what appeared to be a secondary infection so began treating with Seachem NeoPlex (two treatments since Nov 22).

We thought things were calmed down and our remaining fish stable, but yesterday noticed what appears to be whitish spots/flakes on the female clown’s back (see pics). It looks a bit like ich but also seems more wispy/flakey than ich so aren’t sure our next best steps and how to treat. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Our display tank will be fallow until January.
Im seeing signs of secondary bacterial lesions associated with brook. How were you treating previously and at what frequency?
 

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We did a 1.5 hr RR double dose as our initial treatment in a separate container before treating the entire QT tank at standard dosage for 20 days.

You might need to repeat that throughout the treatment period. Rally Pro is "safe" but it also does not work as well as formalin. I thought the standard high dose bath was for 3 hours?
 
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Im seeing signs of secondary bacterial lesions associated with brook. How were you treating previously and at what frequency?
Ruby Reef Pro double dose for 90 min for our initial treatment, then daily dose following instructions on the bottle for almost 3 weeks.
 
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You might need to repeat that throughout the treatment period. Rally Pro is "safe" but it also does not work as well as formalin. I thought the standard high dose bath was for 3 hours?
We got to the 90 min from a previous comment in this thread. If it needs to be 3 hrs, we can do that. Would that be a daily treatment?
 

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Ruby Reef Pro double dose for 90 min for our initial treatment, then daily dose following instructions on the bottle for almost 3 weeks.
I allow ruby rally to take effect after a 60 minute bath and then apply every 48-72 hours and with added aeration. Treatment period best at 4-6 weeks
 
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Update: we have been doing periodic three-hour, double dose baths for our clowns and wrasse, along with regular dose treatments of the QT tank. So far our female clown seems to be a bit better, but still showing clear signs of illness. Should we stay the course or consider a more concentrated dose or more frequent double dose treatments? Thank you!
 

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