G’sReef
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Can anyone give any ideas on why torch heads just randomly die? All parameters are good but nutrients are low but have ALWAYS been low. Every coral looks good except one or two heads but the rest of colony is fine.
Dying Torches BJD?
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G’sReef
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I can provide all those things but I don’t have a PAR meter. When I upgraded my lights over a year ago I measured par and placed corals accordingly. My lighting has been the same all this time and corals were doing great. I can provide all measurements from the last time I tested.
Ok just give us as much info as you can. It is not uncommon for a torch to lose a head here or there but often other factors cause it. BJD would be noticeable in the dying head and have a fouls smell. BJD is caused by extreme problem with parameters in the tank stressing euphyllia and reducing their immune system.
Cool and all your numbers
Shirak
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Cant see much on the green one but the other two I would say Yes BJD. So most likely on the other as well. Most likely it will continue to spread and take out the remaining heads and eventually the hammers as well. In tank Cipro dosing IMO
G’sReef
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I have performed a in tank treatment (KFC Dip) about 2 months ago and didn’t have any issues again until now. My question is how do you STOP this from happening?! I don’t understand what am doing wrong
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Shirak
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I don't know if there is a relationship between stress in the corals and BJD popping up. I started doing a cipro dip and QT of all my Octo/hammer/torches any time I got new additions. In the past I would have great Euphyllia and then I would add a coral and wipe everything out. So never again will I add a new one without doing a bath first and making sure it doesn't have BJD. Once it's in the tank then Cipro treating is the only thing I have found effective.
All corals get dipped now in a variety of baths, one of them being Cipro. Even the non Euphyllia go through this process as I don't want to risk bringing in something on another LPS.
Have you read the article on it?
https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/exper...iotic-treatments-for-brown-jelly-disease.791/
Appears to be BJD. Smell test can confirm it. You can frag off diseased heads and cipro dip the rest. BJD is caused by the tank environment and typically attack euphyllia like torches. Euphyllia like dirty water nitrates 10 and phosphate at .1. So your nutrients numbers are very low. Corals decline from the inside out so it can take months before the stress on them shows. Sometimes corals develop BJD from shipping stress to and you introduce that to your tank. You definitely want to carefully remove the diseased corals though to save your other euphyllia.
G’sReef
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Well that’s something else that makes this frustrating and confusing. I haven’t added anything to my tank in over 6 months. I also do qt on anything going in my tank. I see treating with Ciprofloxacin is being advised a lot but ciprofloxacin is not easy to come by.
G’sReef
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So you recommend treating the affected corals out of the tank if possible?
To start with, yes. I have also done whole tank treatment with cipro with success previously.
G’sReef
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Yea I recently did a in tank treatment with the KFC dip. It seemed to have worked but now this has happened again. There’s been no additions to the tank. I know my nutrients are low but my tank is 4 years old and nutrients has always been low. Confused on how the tank can be doing so well that there’s torch spawns all over the tank but this continues to happen.
Do the infected corals have a foul smell? Did you remove them? didn't know you could KFC a tank, thought it was for dipping outside a tank. Keep in mind when you treat a whole tank you might be killing good bacteria along with the bad and having a negative impact on your biome.
G’sReef
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Actually I did pull out the coral that looks the worse and didn’t smell bad. It really just smelled like tank water. Usually that bad smell is pretty strong and it didn’t smell like that. There is a procedure for KFC in tank, you just have to be a subscriber to get the procedure.
Shirak
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No I don't think the dosing is a problem. More likely they are stressed from low nutrients which is making them more susceptible.
The odor or lack there of may not really tell you much if there is not much dead tissue. In a system with vigorous water movement the dead stuff and slimy muck gets blown away pretty quickly. Image 5442 is without a doubt BJD and the other 5444 there is a little of brown stuff left down in the center of the dead head.
I know there is Cipro in the KFC but I don't know the concentration. I have tried other methods and only the Cipro seems to work so if the concentration is lower because of the other components then it may be less effective. If you have KFC then dipping out of the tank will certainly help but I think a tank treatment of straight Cipro is your best bet to stop the spread among heads and various corals.
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The odor or lack there of may not really tell you much if there is not much dead tissue. In a system with vigorous water movement the dead stuff and slimy muck gets blown away pretty quickly. Image 5442 is without a doubt BJD and the other 5444 there is a little of brown stuff left down in the center of the dead head.
I know there is Cipro in the KFC but I don't know the concentration. I have tried other methods and only the Cipro seems to work so if the concentration is lower because of the other components then it may be less effective. If you have KFC then dipping out of the tank will certainly help but I think a tank treatment of straight Cipro is your best bet to stop the spread among heads and various corals.
AquanestBiotic ...can buy medications
Can get from Chewy but need a vet prescription.
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