Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease

[adikgemok]

There is a lot of proven results in this thread… this gives me hope… had been loosing a few torches the past 2 weeks… yesterday had to go directly to a local clinic and ask for a Cipro… the doctor laughed but ended up giving me the Cipro… treatment starts tonight… got a so called ‘Hellfire’ torch loosing bits and bits of flesh… this is going to be an in tank treatment as I suspect some Bacteria might still be in the water column … the bacteria might have been introduced while I added an HG that died after a few days last November which seems to die due to BJD (The Torch was Dipped before adding).

Just wondering if there is a formula that can be used to add Cipro while dipping new corals before introducing in the tank.

Anyone has a link or some sort to this?

 

[VintageReefer]

There is a lot of proven results in this thread… this gives me hope… had been loosing a few torches the past 2 weeks… yesterday had to go directly to a local clinic and ask for a Cipro… the doctor laughed but ended up giving me the Cipro… treatment starts tonight… got a so called ‘Hellfire’ torch loosing bits and bits of flesh… this is going to be an in tank treatment as I suspect some Bacteria might still be in the water column … the bacteria might have been introduced while I added an HG that died after a few days last November which seems to die due to BJD (The Torch was Dipped before adding).

Just wondering if there is a formula that can be used to add Cipro while dipping new corals before introducing in the tank.

Anyone has a link or some sort to this?

Post 1 has full tank treatment

For individual item dip, I use kfc formula. You can include or exclude the additional ingredients

instructions are here for a 4g dip
You’d can scale down, if you make 1g of dip, then divide all ingredient quantities by 4

The KFC Dip - A game changer in keeping healthy Euphyllia

Version: 1.1 (Updated 8/20/22) Please check this link for the latest version as the version included in the med kit but be outdated: https://kungfucorals.com/blogs/news/the-kfc-dip-a-game-changer-in-keeping-healthy-euphyllia PRE-WASH and POST WASH:!! Make sure to pre-wash corals before going...

kungfucorals.com

 

[adikgemok]

Thanks @VintageReefer
Just read it just now… seems the way is to reduce the volume and dosage accordingly and float in the tank since it would take 2-6 hours…

Or get a separate small tank…
Appreciate it @Vintage reefer

Post 1 has full tank treatment

For individual item dip, I use kfc formula. You can include or exclude the additional ingredients

instructions are here for a 4g dip
You’d can scale down, if you make 1g of dip, then divide all ingredient quantities by 4

The KFC Dip - A game changer in keeping healthy Euphyllia

Version: 1.1 (Updated 8/20/22) Please check this link for the latest version as the version included in the med kit but be outdated: https://kungfucorals.com/blogs/news/the-kfc-dip-a-game-changer-in-keeping-healthy-euphyllia PRE-WASH and POST WASH:!! Make sure to pre-wash corals before going...

kungfucorals.com

 

[VintageReefer]

Thanks @VintageReefer
Just read it just now… seems the way is to reduce the volume and dosage accordingly and float in the tank since it would take 2-6 hours…

Or get a separate small tank…
Appreciate it @Vintage reefer

Does not have to be complex.

Unfortunately I have been receiving corals lately stressed and they have affected other corals in my tank, so I hd to invest in some gear to make kfc dips easier

I scale down to 1g of dip mix

Electric pill grinder to break up and mix all solid ingredients

Amazon.com

I use 5 qt paint bucket which has measuring lines built in. This was cheaper at home depot

Amazon.com

10w aqueon preset heater

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Pico usb 50gph powerhead, adjusted to almost bare minimum output

Amazon.com

Then I let the dry ingredients mix for a few minutes, add the coral and walk away. Every hour or so I’ll use tongs and rotate the coral.

I’ve left this running on a counter top for 24 hours for bad infections like this one

I put the powerhead near the surface so the surface ripples for oxygenation

 

[adikgemok]

That’s a great idea !!!
Thanks @VintageReefer …

That torch really looks bad… does it survive?

Does not have to be complex.

Unfortunately I have been receiving corals lately stressed and they have affected other corals in my tank, so I hd to invest in some gear to make kfc dips easier

I scale down to 1g of dip mix

Electric pill grinder to break up and mix all solid ingredients

Amazon.com

I use 5 qt paint bucket which has measuring lines built in. This was cheaper at home depot

Amazon.com

10w aqueon preset heater

Amazon.com

Pico usb 50gph powerhead, adjusted to almost bare minimum output

Amazon.com

Then I let the dry ingredients mix for a few minutes, add the coral and walk away. Every hour or so I’ll use tongs and rotate the coral.

I’ve left this running on a counter top for 24 hours for bad infections like this one

I put the powerhead near the surface so the surface ripples for oxygenation

 

[adikgemok]

Dosed Day 01 last night after lights go off… looks like there is abit of improvement…

Some more question …

@AquaBiomics
Can I do this as a daily dose straight for 6 days before WC?

And the mixture of Cipro in the fridge… is it still usable? Or do I need to make a new mixture?

 

[VintageReefer]

And the mixture of Cipro in the fridge… is it still usable? Or do I need to make a new mixture?

Keep unused mixture in the fridge, measure out what you need then put the rest back in the fridge

 

[VintageReefer]

That’s a great idea !!!
Thanks @VintageReefer …

That torch really looks bad… does it survive?

So the torch is splitting 3 ways. In the pic above the one head had a lot of damage, the rest of the torch was just dark from being retracted and out of the water.

This is it now…

Appears the one head is gone and the other two are healing. No return of bjd 2 weeks later. I think this is going to be a partial save

This one I treated and fully saved:
Dec 10 - performed kfc this night

Dec 12

Today, Dec 18

And the other one in the bucket above was a loss

 

[adikgemok]

Wow… this gives me more confident… gonna do my 2nd dose today… already can see half of the torch tentacles starting to extend… looks like a good sign…

Thank you so much @VintageReefer for clarifying my issues and answering my questions…

Happy Reefing…

Will might do an update and chronology if this one survives

So the torch is splitting 3 ways. In the pic above the one head had a lot of damage, the rest of the torch was just dark from being retracted and out of the water.

This is it now…

Appears the one head is gone and the other two are healing. No return of bjd 2 weeks later. I think this is going to be a partial save

This one I treated and fully saved:
Dec 10 - performed kfc this night

Dec 12

Today, Dec 18

And the other one in the bucket above was a loss

 

[VintageReefer]

Wow… this gives me more confident… gonna do my 2nd dose today… already can see half of the torch tentacles starting to extend… looks like a good sign…

Thank you so much @VintageReefer for clarifying my issues and answering my questions…

Happy Reefing…

Will might do an update and chronology if this one survives

Will add on…I have tried this many times and my success rate is probably around 60%. Earlier you catch it, the better. Do the full kfc process if you can, and I leave it in longer. Usually 10-12 hours. When returning to tank, then start the full tank cipro treatment and continue 6 days. You don’t need this bacteria leaving the torch and infecting other corals. I dose daily, rather than every other day. I have not seen any negative effect on any corals

 

[Singspot]

I finally found a site that didn't require a script.

Lambert Vet Supply | Dog, Cat, Horse, Kennel, & Vet Supplies

I felt, the site asks for a prescription. Anyone able to checkout and receive the 500 mg cipro without vet prescription?

 

[Singspot]

Has anyone checked if the bacteria source could be the bacteria additives we add. Like

MB7: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/microbacter7-complete-bioculture-brightwell-aquatics.html
MB Clean: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/microbacter-clean-brightwell-aquatics.html
KZ: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/korallen-zucht-zeobak-microorganism-solution.html

I have a LOT of softies, Hammar, Goni, SPS, Shroom, Zoa, Bower, Acan, Torches, etc in my 8ft tank. I have only had BJD to torch - and to torch that had been in my tank for over 1 year and grown like crazy to 30+ head colony ... and the new torch additions were unaffected.

I feed heavy and have lot of big fishes, overall tank is very stable and I do not tinker too much. Nor do I add too much stuff. But off and on I have tried MB7 to help reduce Nitrate/ Phosphate.

I think (not sure fully) evertime I had BJD, I had started adding MB7 ... I have never added MB Clean or KZ in my tank but they also have bacterias and another person's tank had BJD and the tank had MB clean being added for weeks and I added 2 rounds of KZ and 5-6 torch heads of different torch colonies ended up getting BJD

When I get BJD, I never did any Cipro or any medicine. I simple take the affected colony out, liberally remove the sick heads, dip the remaining heads in Revive or Lugols solution and put them back in main tank and no BJD for weeks and then suddenly one of torch heads start to shrivel and BJD ...

I wonder if the MB7 had something to which my torches reacted too?

Anyone else recalls MB7 correlated to their BJD?

 

[moretor1]

I don't have any access to Cipro but the other day I caught my frogspawn peeling up at one edge of its head with jelly starting to form on the ridge of the skeleton

Took it out and dipped it in about 7ml of peroxide in 1l of water for 5 minutes and used a soft bristle bamboo tooth brush to very carefuly manually remove anything under the head.

I did dose kanaplex immediately and ab+ once the lights went out

This was about 12pm that day and 24 hours later I checked before work and noticed no jelly and the flesh actually starting to move back over the skeleton.

Usually in my experience when a treatment for bjd was unsuccessful I would wake up the next morning for it to be a lot worse than before

 

[moretor1]

Has anyone checked if the bacteria source could be the bacteria additives we add. Like

MB7: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/microbacter7-complete-bioculture-brightwell-aquatics.html
MB Clean: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/microbacter-clean-brightwell-aquatics.html
KZ: https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/korallen-zucht-zeobak-microorganism-solution.html

I have a LOT of softies, Hammar, Goni, SPS, Shroom, Zoa, Bower, Acan, Torches, etc in my 8ft tank. I have only had BJD to torch - and to torch that had been in my tank for over 1 year and grown like crazy to 30+ head colony ... and the new torch additions were unaffected.

I feed heavy and have lot of big fishes, overall tank is very stable and I do not tinker too much. Nor do I add too much stuff. But off and on I have tried MB7 to help reduce Nitrate/ Phosphate.

I think (not sure fully) evertime I had BJD, I had started adding MB7 ... I have never added MB Clean or KZ in my tank but they also have bacterias and another person's tank had BJD and the tank had MB clean being added for weeks and I added 2 rounds of KZ and 5-6 torch heads of different torch colonies ended up getting BJD

When I get BJD, I never did any Cipro or any medicine. I simple take the affected colony out, liberally remove the sick heads, dip the remaining heads in Revive or Lugols solution and put them back in main tank and no BJD for weeks and then suddenly one of torch heads start to shrivel and BJD ...

I wonder if the MB7 had something to which my torches reacted too?

Anyone else recalls MB7 correlated to their BJD?

Microbacter could very easily be feeding the BJD. People buy microbacter for their FW shrimp tanks because it's great at growing biofilm on every living surface

You can think of BJD as a biofilm but instead of eating sugars in wood bark it eats your coral