Is a Pest-Free System a Fool's Errand?

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I had my first saltwater tank in the 1970's. When I left for college, it became a freshwater tank, and eventually was taken down. In the early 2,000's, I saw a reef tank in my neighbor's home and realized that people were growing coral. I got my first reef tank a few years later. I have made various changes over the years, but this 125-gallon tank with a 55-gallon sump is still my main system. This system has never had any horrible pests, but it has all of the common ones - Aiptasia, vermetid snails, astarina stars, and some planaria at times. I also have small bristle worms, but I don't consider them a pest at all. That's another discussion, but I won't have a system without them.

When I have started new systems, I would take some rock and chaeto from the main system and add them to the new system. This has always resulted in a good new system that would grow coral without problems, but all of these common pests would be present. I have never had the vermetid snails or planaria be a problem. I don't consider the astarina stars to be a problem - they have never harmed anything and add some bio-diversity. The aiptasia can be a pain, but I have normally kept a copper band butterfly that takes care of them.

I started a new frag system several months ago - three 60-gallon breeders with a 75-gallon sump. Even though the pests have never been an insurmountable problem for me, I thought I would try to start a pest free system. I'm not sure that this is completely possible in the long run, but since I would like to sell frags, I thought it would be nice to say that they are "pest free". So, I filled the system with new Instant Ocean salt, dry rock that I had aged in saltwater for several months, and some chaeto from my pod cultures (it had not been exposed to anything but pods for years). I also had a bottle of bacteria that I dumped in.

Long story a little shorter, this system is growing some strange photosynthetic "slime algae" and some kind of dark/black algae, and just doesn't look too healthy. Not surprisingly, there is no coralline algae (haven't added any) or anything else that would indicate that it is doing well. It is growing pods very well, and I think that a lemon damsel is surviving, but it just doesn't seem healthy. I will probably add some test coral this week after I test parameters, but I am about ready to add some rock complete with pests from my main tank.

So, what do you think. Am I on a fool's errand, and it just isn't worth the hassle to try to avoid common pests, or should I hold the course a little longer and see if I can pull it off? Thanks for any input or advice.
 

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I had my first saltwater tank in the 1970's. When I left for college, it became a freshwater tank, and eventually was taken down. In the early 2,000's, I saw a reef tank in my neighbor's home and realized that people were growing coral. I got my first reef tank a few years later. I have made various changes over the years, but this 125-gallon tank with a 55-gallon sump is still my main system. This system has never had any horrible pests, but it has all of the common ones - Aiptasia, vermetid snails, astarina stars, and some planaria at times. I also have small bristle worms, but I don't consider them a pest at all. That's another discussion, but I won't have a system without them.

When I have started new systems, I would take some rock and chaeto from the main system and add them to the new system. This has always resulted in a good new system that would grow coral without problems, but all of these common pests would be present. I have never had the vermetid snails or planaria be a problem. I don't consider the astarina stars to be a problem - they have never harmed anything and add some bio-diversity. The aiptasia can be a pain, but I have normally kept a copper band butterfly that takes care of them.

I started a new frag system several months ago - three 60-gallon breeders with a 75-gallon sump. Even though the pests have never been an insurmountable problem for me, I thought I would try to start a pest free system. I'm not sure that this is completely possible in the long run, but since I would like to sell frags, I thought it would be nice to say that they are "pest free". So, I filled the system with new Instant Ocean salt, dry rock that I had aged in saltwater for several months, and some chaeto from my pod cultures (it had not been exposed to anything but pods for years). I also had a bottle of bacteria that I dumped in.

Long story a little shorter, this system is growing some strange photosynthetic "slime algae" and some kind of dark/black algae, and just doesn't look too healthy. Not surprisingly, there is no coralline algae (haven't added any) or anything else that would indicate that it is doing well. It is growing pods very well, and I think that a lemon damsel is surviving, but it just doesn't seem healthy. I will probably add some test coral this week after I test parameters, but I am about ready to add some rock complete with pests from my main tank.

So, what do you think. Am I on a fool's errand, and it just isn't worth the hassle to try to avoid common pests, or should I hold the course a little longer and see if I can pull it off? Thanks for any input or advice.
I'm at a point where i went all dry rock, dry sand, full qt on everything.. my systems soo barren of life. I have pods, but between that and the cuc it's empty. My first tank years ago, didn't have what I would call an "ugly phase" but this ones been.. whew.. I'm about to go buy some live rock and get some diversity in it but then I have to decide if I want to quarantine that or not
 
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I started my system with dry rock and never had that slime or black algae. Dinos, a lot (still do). A bit of cyano. A bit of bubble algae. Diatoms. But nothing major except for dinos.

Glad it worked for you. Thanks for the input. FWIW, I've only had dino problems with one system, and they were pretty short-lived. Maybe the biodiversity of a not-pest-free system helps minimize them?
 

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Glad it worked for you. Thanks for the input. FWIW, I've only had dino problems with one system, and they were pretty short-lived. Maybe the biodiversity of a not-pest-free system helps minimize them?
I think so. Or at the very least the lack of biodiversity creates a cascade of negative reactions that can cumulated if given the opportunity
 
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I'm at a point where i went all dry rock, dry sand, full qt on everything.. my systems soo barren of life. I have pods, but between that and the cuc it's empty. My first tank years ago, didn't have what I would call an "ugly phase" but this ones been.. whew.. I'm about to go buy some live rock and get some diversity in it but then I have to decide if I want to quarantine that or not

Sounds like we are at a similar point. I hadn't really thought about some of the other biodiversity - I have various sponges and organisms in my older systems. I'm sure there is a difference in the bacteria also... I am a believer in quarantine though - especially when adding to an established system. Thanks for your input!
 

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I’m very much of the belief that the bio diversity that comes with healthy live rock far outweighs the cons of hitchhikers or pests. Since you can’t have it both ways, I’d always go the live rock route and deal with the pests as needed.
 

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Sounds like we are at a similar point. I hadn't really thought about some of the other biodiversity - I have various sponges and organisms in my older systems. I'm sure there is a difference in the bacteria also... I am a believer in quarantine though - especially when adding to an established system. Thanks for your input!
Yea, regardless of quarantine i think the biodiversity far outweighs the risk of potential pests.
 

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Personally I truly believe live quality rock is the best way to establish a tank. However me, myself and I don’t and won't accept pest anemones. It's the hobbyist choice.
 
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I’m very much of the belief that the bio diversity that comes with healthy live rock far outweighs the cons of hitchhikers or pests. Since you can’t have it both ways, I’d always go the live rock route and deal with the pests as needed.

I think I am feeling the same way. If it weren't for the fact that I want to sell frags, I would have thrown some good live rock in there a long time ago. Thanks for the input!
 

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I think I am feeling the same way. If it weren't for the fact that I want to sell frags, I would have thrown some good live rock in there a long time ago. Thanks for the input!
I wonder if it would be worth it to look for brittle stars, amphipods, etc in one of your other tanks and seed your new one? I'm sure a ball of chaeto would provide beneficial fauna to seed with
 
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Personally I truly believe live quality rock is the best way to establish a tank. However me, myself and I don’t and won't accept pest anemones. It's the hobbyist choice.

Thanks! Have you been successful long term in keeping the anemones out? I don't know if I have ever seen a system over a couple years old that didn't have aiptasia. Maybe no visible ones because they are controlled, but they are still there. At one point, I hadn't seen an aiptasia in by tank for a long time, but then my 9-year-old copperband died and all of a sudden I had them again. My intention was to try to keep them out of this system, but I'm not sure if it is possible. Have you succeeded with just quarantine and manual removal?
 
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I wonder if it would be worth it to look for brittle stars, amphipods, etc in one of your other tanks and seed your new one? I'm sure a ball of chaeto would provide beneficial fauna to seed with

Yes, that is what I would normally do, but I had hopes of avoiding anything and everything that was unwanted. I know I would get some unwanted bio-diversity from the chaeto in my main system. I may end up doing this route though...
 

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Yes, that is what I would normally do, but I had hopes of avoiding anything and everything that was unwanted. I know I would get some unwanted bio-diversity from the chaeto in my main system. I may end up doing this route though...
I mean, or order some stuff online. I've seen people selling brittle and amphipods along with a lot of other beneficial fauna. Although I feel like it's the micro fauna that's also a good bonus
 
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I mean, or order some stuff online. I've seen people selling brittle and amphipods along with a lot of other beneficial fauna. Although I feel like it's the micro fauna that's also a good bonus
I agree. In fact, everybody cuts of frag plugs and dips everything nowadays, but I prefer to avoid that and quarantine instead in order to keep everything alive on new frags until I see something that needs to be dealt with. It takes longer to do that, but I am a big believer in bio-diversity - especially if the new addition comes from a good healthy system.
 

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In the 90s products sold with Aiptasia was a deal breaker. Bigger warehouse dealers, used to laugh at "glass anemone tanks". This was S. California, chop shops and the hobby were just beginning.
I most definitely and obviously have had many Aiptasia since that time.
Now I quarantine and research vendors. Some hobbyist are not that concerned.
 

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