It’s winter and you just lost power. How do you take care of your tank?

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I don't mean to derail this thread but I'd honestly like to know the answer to original question. :) It has happened twice before for me when despite having a generator and a battery backup things did not go well. Its one thing to say I'll use a gas generator but I've come to realize things are not as easy.

A little background: Here in Florida, we're used to hurricanes and typically have a generator handy. I also have a CyberPower UPS that gives me about a 2 hour standby time for critical systems in addition to a separate battery backup for the Vortech pumps. The UPS does supply one of the main pumps coz its a COR 15 and if Apex is powered, the pump is powered, no way around that.

Now here's the facts. Despite having all this backup, the first time when the power went out, I turned on the generator and tried switching the UPS supply to generator, it just wouldn't take on the power. It acted like there was no power, despite the generator (6500W, Ryobi) supplying with all the grit (clean power, 120V, 60 Hz). Struggling through a storm, trying to go in and out isnt easy and you gotta keep the generator fumes far away from the house. Eventually I had to bypass the UPS and plugin the tank directly via a power strip. It worked the first time around. The next time, my Apex decided to act weird and wouldn't boot up so I had an added headache of having to get a replacement Apex and configure the crap again. Took me all of 12 continuous hours to get everything plugged and untangled despite having all the labels to all the cables. Definitely not something you want to do during a power out in the cold.

Yeah its one thing to say I haz backup. But will it work during an outage? I would want to know what people do (and what works).

Oh and dont get me started on those darn heaters. Its no joke to have 800W heaters for a 240 Gallon tank when its cold out there. They (generator) guys do false advertising. Those heaters can trip all sorts of generators for no good reason. :p
 

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3000 power inverter (from harbor freight) hooked / clamped to my cars battery

Car in driveway, battery cables long enough to put inverter just inside my closed garage.

Two 100ft electrical cords running to my tank to run heaters and powerheads.

No need for lighting, skimmer, accessories other than flow and heat.

I'd probably hook up an airstone directly in the tank for O2.

Run the car LOCKED outside in the driveway feeding the power inverter on the garage floor.

Checking the car and inverter every 30mins via security cameras and in-person checks.

Start drinking coffee and calling the Power Company for updates, lol. since not much sleep happening keeping eye on car and inverter and tank.

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This is also what I do although my power inverter is much smaller at 1000. Still the one time our power was off in the winter for a week, we hooked it up to the car battery in the driveway and ran the return pump, the fridge and computer. At the end of the week when the power came back on, everything was fine. We have a fireplace not far from the display so I did not need to have the heaters.
 

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I guess I shouldn't have said anything. I've been really sick and not thinking clearly. We just got a foot of snow and we never get this much. I knew I would not be able to leave the house and if the power went out I'd lose everything. I am also too tight to afford a generator right now. Partly because I've been sick for about a month. I've been scoping them out for a long time but haven't worked it in yet. This is only the second time I have done it and I guess I am getting too comfortable with it.

Also my power almost never goes out so it is hard to justify the purchase. I am constantly being guilted when I talk about buying a generator.
The power inverter is much more affordable and doesn't take up much space either. What I really liked was there is no maintenance on it (like starting up a gasoline generator a couple Xs a year to keep it in good running shape. I knew we would forget to do that.). It's a good solution for very infrequent outages.
 
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18kw whole house generator, and a wood burning stove. The 18kw is new and I still have my 6500 Watt gas generator that will run all the tanks so back up for the back up I suppose.
I have a honda EU2200i around as well. Starts on first pull - super quiet, easy to carry, etc.
 

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During the big freeze a few years ago in Houston, the power went out for about 6 hours one night. I put battery operated airstones in the tank, wrapped the tank in a sleeping bag and put Styrofoam around the sump. The tank temp dropped a total of half a degree in those 6 hours... obviously I would have needed a better solution if the power had stayed off longer, but I was surprised at how well my measures insulated the tank!
 

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During the big freeze a few years ago in Houston, the power went out for about 6 hours one night. I put battery operated airstones in the tank, wrapped the tank in a sleeping bag and put Styrofoam around the sump. The tank temp dropped a total of half a degree in those 6 hours... obviously I would have needed a better solution if the power had stayed off longer, but I was surprised at how well my measures insulated the tank!
The lions share of the heat loss in a system like this is through the tank walls (conduction). Evaporation and radiation from the tanks surface do play a role, but if air movement can be slowed - the effect is minimal compared to the conduction through the walls. The airstones certainly don't help, but are a must have. Warming the air if possible would help.

Adding the insulation was extremely helpful and good thinking.

A few rolls of silver thermal foil insulation or bubble wrap kept for emergency use can do wonders, especially if they are then backed by something like the foam or sleeping bags. Even bath towels or laundry would help!
 

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i have a bypass to run a generator back to the electric panel to run the whole house if i'm home if not i have power stations for all the wavemakers / heaters until i get home
 

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Knock on wood.Been reefing since the late 80's and never lost anything due to power outages.I think 3 days max, without power. Here's what I dealt with 3 days after Thanksgiving
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Now here's the facts. Despite having all this backup, the first time when the power went out, I turned on the generator and tried switching the UPS supply to generator, it just wouldn't take on the power. It acted like there was no power, despite the generator (6500W, Ryobi) supplying with all the grit (clean power, 120V, 60 Hz).
UPS systems can be extremely picky about the cleanliness of the power they receive by design. They are trying to protect your devices from receiving poor quality power that can cause issues for sensitive devices that are being protected by the UPS. My best guess is that the power being generated by the generator wasn't as clean as you think it was. Likely the type of sine wave being generated has high THD (total harmonic distortion) which the UPS is correctly detecting as bad power and is refusing to accept it. That seems to be a common issue with a lot of generators. Most likely you'll have to bypass the UPS like you did anytime in the future if you need to run off of the generator again.
 

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This and an axe are my last line of defense. They are basically rocket stoves for heating water. Almost anything that can burn can be used as fuel. At this point I would've moved my fish into a cooler that would hold temperature much better than my tanks.

Yes, I was a little pyromaniac as a kid.

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UPS systems can be extremely picky about the cleanliness of the power they receive by design. They are trying to protect your devices from receiving poor quality power that can cause issues for sensitive devices that are being protected by the UPS. My best guess is that the power being generated by the generator wasn't as clean as you think it was. Likely the type of sine wave being generated has high THD (total harmonic distortion) which the UPS is correctly detecting as bad power and is refusing to accept it. That seems to be a common issue with a lot of generators. Most likely you'll have to bypass the UPS like you did anytime in the future if you need to run off of the generator again.
What should you not run on generator? How do power companies clean it? Curiosity
 

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After Hurricane Helene completely destroyed our area, we learned exactly what we NEEDED to survive. Living in the mountains of western NC means we have to worry about HEAT for the house as well as "life support" for the tank. We have:

Gas Logs in living room for small area heating (tank is in the same room)
Pellet Stove for basement and house heating (needs electricity)
Small gas generator for short term power when HEAT isn't needed.
Larger gas generator for long-term outages and when house heat is needed.

We have battery powered air pumps and stones ready for short term outages.
 

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