Mandarins and copper power treatment

[Bigreeflittlefish]

Ordered a bunch of fish today and will treating them all in copper power was wondering has anyone treated mandarins and gobies in copper power please let me know

 

[vetteguy53081]

Ordered a bunch of fish today and will treating them all in copper power was wondering has anyone treated mandarins and gobies in copper power please let me know

No copper for Mandarins and gobies are tolerant but II suggest treating both with chloroquine phosphate dosed precisely or API General cure. Gobies are jumpers and greatest risk is suicide by leap with them

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ordered a bunch of fish today and will treating them all in copper power was wondering has anyone treated mandarins and gobies in copper power please let me know

Mandarins can tolerate amine chelated copper products, but they don’t tolerate bare quarantine tanks - no food for them.

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

Mandarins can tolerate amine chelated copper products, but they don’t tolerate bare quarantine tanks - no food for them.

Well how can i prevent ich from them

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Well how can i prevent ich from them

They aren’t super prone to ich and rarely get flukes. What I always do is hold them for 45 days in a fishless coral system with lots of pods to eat. I realize not everyone can do that. The next best option is to buy captive raised.

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

They aren’t super prone to ich and rarely get flukes. What I always do is hold them for 45 days in a fishless coral system with lots of pods to eat. I realize not everyone can do that. The next best option is to buy captive raised.

Kind of late on that matter haha mandarin is on his way so not sure if it’s worth the risk now plus 6 gobies

 

[PotatoPig]

Well how can i prevent ich from them

Are these wild caught or from Biota/Ora?

If from Biota/Ora and delivered direct your risk is very very low.

If they’re wild caught… these are one of the most disease resistant fish commonly found in reef tanks, if not the most disease resistant. Their slime coat is very effective in preventing ich and other diseases, far more than most, if not all, other fish you’ll find. They’re low risk to start with, and that risk can be lowered further if you can keep them in an otherwise fishless system with live rock.

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

Are these wild caught or from Biota/Ora?

If from Biota/Ora and delivered direct your risk is very very low.

If they’re wild caught… these are one of the most disease resistant fish commonly found in reef tanks, if not the most disease resistant. Their slime coat is very effective in preventing ich and other diseases, far more than most, if not all, other fish you’ll find. They’re low risk to start with, and that risk can be lowered further if you can keep them in an otherwise fishless system with live rock.

So what you think i should do set them in a 10 gallon tank with a rock and just wait?

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

@Humblefish have you ever tried copper power on gobies and mandarins?

 

[PotatoPig]

So what you think i should do set them in a 10 gallon tank with a rock and just wait?

How many do you have coming and what size tank are they going into?

If you have two males coming then expect a deathmatch.

Otherwise a small tank with a ton of live rock might be OK.

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

How many do you have coming and what size tank are they going into?

If you have two males coming then expect a deathmatch.

Otherwise a small tank with a ton of live rock might be OK.

6 gobies all different

 

[Rothric]

So what you think i should do set them in a 10 gallon tank with a rock and just wait?

I've had success QT'ing 2 mandarins with Copper Power and Prazi. The key was continuously hatching baby brine shrimp. If the brine shrimp are fed within 8-12 hrs of hatching, they are still nutritious with their yolk sac.

I had two brine shrimp hatcheries that I kept continuously working. I'd harvest the shrimp quickly after hatching and put them in the fridge. This slows down their metabolism and prolongs how long they're still nutritious.

Like Jay mentioned, they can tolerate copper products like Copper Power and Copper Safe. They just can't tolerate bare tanks with nothing to eat.

Takes some work, but definitely doable.

 

[PotatoPig]

6 gobies all different

Sorry, I meant how many mandarins?

These are the real problems for QT as outside captive bred they’re very difficult to get eating anything other than live food.

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

Sorry, I meant how many mandarins?

These are the real problems for QT as outside captive bred they’re very difficult to get eating anything other than live food.

One mandarin

 

[Bigreeflittlefish]

I've had success QT'ing 2 mandarins with Copper Power and Prazi. The key was continuously hatching baby brine shrimp. If the brine shrimp are fed within 8-12 hrs of hatching, they are still nutritious with their yolk sac.

I had two brine shrimp hatcheries that I kept continuously working. I'd harvest the shrimp quickly after hatching and put them in the fridge. This slows down their metabolism and prolongs how long they're still nutritious.

Like Jay mentioned, they can tolerate copper products like Copper Power and Copper Safe. They just can't tolerate bare tanks with nothing to eat.

Takes some work, but definitely doable.

What if i took a live rock from my main into the QT system will the copper kill the copepods so the mandarin can’t eat

 

[exnisstech]

Jay told you how to treat the mandarin, you aren't going to get more reliable advice from anyone else IMO. Mandarins eat non stop so a healthy pod population is a must to success keeping one alive. Even ones that eat frozen need pods between feedings. You could try hatching brine shrimp and feeding them with @Paul B feeder he designed. Some one is offering a 3d printed version based on his design.

Thanks PaulB- Mandarin feeder

Just completed my Mandarin feeder after PaulB design. My Mandarin is currently fat and happy but wanna make sure she stays that way..I owe it to her after killing a couple 20 years ago when I first started this hobby and not having a clue for there needs. They have always been one of my favorite...

www.reef2reef.com

EDIT : Copper will kill pods and one rock isn't going to contain enough pods for a mandarin regardless.

 

[vetteguy53081]

@Humblefish have you ever tried copper power on gobies and mandarins?

There is no Humblefish on here and copper will kill the food supply why I suggested other treatments and Jay also mentioned precautions.