More equipment for sale. [NEW and USED]

[tsharpe291]

dang! It is sad the extent people will go to.

 

[Mario P.]

Here you go, same pics from a 2023 post. Put in for your refunds!

Illinois - Lighting - Dry Goods - New and used equipment Mp40, xr15,Neptune gro, kamoer f1, aqua Uv 40w,

Up for sale some new and used equipment 4 x radion xr15 g6 blue , 2 still sealed ,two just opened 400$ each, 2x kamoer f1 new with bracket 80$ each, 2x mp40 sealed boxes 375$ each , used Neptune gro 100$ ,used Aqua Uv 40w 2 aftermarket new bulbs and new sleeve 200$, prices not included shipping,

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Fish Fan]

Here you go, same pics from a 2023 post. Put in for your refunds!

Illinois - Lighting - Dry Goods - New and used equipment Mp40, xr15,Neptune gro, kamoer f1, aqua Uv 40w,

Up for sale some new and used equipment 4 x radion xr15 g6 blue , 2 still sealed ,two just opened 400$ each, 2x kamoer f1 new with bracket 80$ each, 2x mp40 sealed boxes 375$ each , used Neptune gro 100$ ,used Aqua Uv 40w 2 aftermarket new bulbs and new sleeve 200$, prices not included shipping,

www.reef2reef.com

OK, that's insane! That's now the third post we've found that has these exact pics!

 

[Treehrtsme]

Having done work in asset protection/recovery and to an extent cybersercurity there actually is legitimacy, unfortunately, in trying to scam this way even using PayPal. Once elevated to a claim which minimum PayPal wants you to take 2 weeks to do, it is possible for a seller to stall long enough by making simple replies to inquiries from PayPal. Is very rare that an actual PayPal associate we will review a transaction for a couple hundred dollars with the intention to do anything and there is no way for you can contact with the team that actually reviews claims. Customer support is scripting to state that they cannot directly contact that team either. But simply if you're in the middle of a claim there is no way to directly contact a human being in regards to it.

Here's the problem with the hobby. Anyone who is not in the hobby is going to think, what kind of light bulb thingy this person is disputing could possible cost hundreds of dollars, this doesn't make sense. The team will eventually start sending you requests for the same basic information and easily 2 months can go by and then all of the sudden your case just randomly closes in the seller's favor. You have to jump through loopholes to try and appeal it and you'll never win. This happened to me on one occasion where I had two unrelated cases going at once and they were both closed randomly at the same exact time in the sellers favor after waiting about 2 months. I appealed and the appeal was opened and closed in about 3 hours in the middle of the night when no employee working for PayPal in California would be working. To an extent they don't care, and if you end up frequently opening disputes even following their guidelines of trying to work things out with the seller for a week beforehand and so on it's a less likely that a case will resolved in your favor moving down the road. Human beings rarely actually get involved in disputes or claims to my knowledge nowadays.

There is always the option of a charge back, but PayPal will hate you for doing this, and it can get complicated as your bank will not take money straight from the seller but will take the money from PayPal who then has to get the money back from someone which is typically going to be you. In general the protection that PayPal provides, in my opinion, only helps you sleep a little better, nothing more.

 

[Fish Fan]

Having done work in asset protection/recovery and to an extent cybersercurity there actually is legitimacy, unfortunately, in trying to scam this way even using PayPal. Once elevated to a claim which minimum PayPal wants you to take 2 weeks to do, it is possible for a seller to stall long enough by making simple replies to inquiries from PayPal. Is very rare that an actual PayPal associate we will review a transaction for a couple hundred dollars with the intention to do anything and there is no way for you can contact with the team that actually reviews claims. Customer support is scripting to state that they cannot directly contact that team either. But simply if you're in the middle of a claim there is no way to directly contact a human being in regards to it.

Here's the problem with the hobby. Anyone who is not in the hobby is going to think, what kind of light bulb thingy this person is disputing could possible cost hundreds of dollars, this doesn't make sense. The team will eventually start sending you requests for the same basic information and easily 2 months can go by and then all of the sudden your case just randomly closes in the seller's favor. You have to jump through loopholes to try and appeal it and you'll never win. This happened to me on one occasion where I had two unrelated cases going at once and they were both closed randomly at the same exact time in the sellers favor after waiting about 2 months. I appealed and the appeal was opened and closed in about 3 hours in the middle of the night when no employee working for PayPal in California would be working. To an extent they don't care, and if you end up frequently opening disputes even following their guidelines of trying to work things out with the seller for a week beforehand and so on it's a less likely that a case will resolved in your favor moving down the road. Human beings rarely actually get involved in disputes or claims to my knowledge nowadays.

There is always the option of a charge back, but PayPal will hate you for doing this, and it can get complicated as your bank will not take money straight from the seller but will take the money from PayPal who then has to get the money back from someone which is typically going to be you. In general the protection that PayPal provides, in my opinion, only helps you sleep a little better, nothing more.

I disagree entirely. I am a one time eBay Power Seller and a member of PayPal since around 2003. I just put my claim in with them. And yes, I've been through this kind of thing before. The seller has NOTHING to stand on if the can't show tracking information, let alone reply to messages sent through PayPal. They said it would take about 5 days to review my claim, and that it should be fully resolved by December 6th. I have zero concerns that I'll get my money back, it's just a frustrating thing to deal with.

The people who deal with these claims deal everyday in items they have no idea what they are, but they still sort out these claims.

I paid via PayPal, I cannot do a "charge back", I can only dispute this transaction through PayPal, which I have just initiated.

 

[Fish Fan]

Is very rare that an actual PayPal associate we will review a transaction for a couple hundred dollars with the intention to do anything and there is no way for you can contact with the team that actually reviews claims. Customer support is scripting to state that they cannot directly contact that team either. But simply if you're in the middle of a claim there is no way to directly contact a human being in regards to it.

I'm sorry, but this is just straight BS lol! I have spoken to PayPal reps via telephone many, many times in the past. They are easy to reach, and quite helpful. This is why R2R literally demands that we use PayPal; because as a buyer we have recourse when things don't work out. If PayPal simply blew off every "low-dollar" sale ($300??) for things that they just can't understand who would want to buy, eBay would never have been around, and we certainly wouldn't have the marketplace here on Reef2Reef.

 

[Fish Fan]

@revhtree replied to this sellers other For Sale thread and said that they've put a hold on this user's account until this all gets sorted out. And, he reminded us that this is exactly why we use PayPal - to get our money back when things go squirrely. I will update as to whether or not I get my money back, which I'm sure I will.

 

[Treehrtsme]

I'm sorry, but this is just straight BS lol! I have spoken to PayPal reps via telephone many, many times in the past. They are easy to reach, and quite helpful. This is why R2R literally demands that we use PayPal; because as a buyer we have recourse when things don't work out. If PayPal simply blew off every "low-dollar" sale ($300??) for things that they just can't understand who would want to buy, eBay would never have been around, and we certainly wouldn't have the marketplace here on Reef2Reef.

I'm not saying you won't get your money back I'm just staying it's plausible to pull off a legitimate scam this way. When you call PayPal you speak with a general service rep that has no authority or say in the results of a claim. A dispute only opens a chat between you and the seller and PayPal will only get involved if you later escalate to a claim. PayPal will then review what information you have provided and reach out to the seller and buyer with a scripted set of questions. Proof of shipment or delivery, damage etc. depending on how you filed the dispute. You can post as much information as you want but in general if each party continues to reply, PayPal will push back the estimated resolution date to review further information. At this point you have no idea what the seller is posting, and proof of delivery can be fabricated. This is just an extreme scenario but has happens. I lost close to 1k after an appeal was opened at around 12 am PST and then closed 3 hours later after a 2 month dispute and claim process. PayPal isn't what it used to be, but it has no real competition.

You can charge back and your bank will typically provide you with temporary funds but almost always take them back because they're fighting PayPal not the seller. That's why I don't recommend it, though people do it.

This is obviously a more clear cut case but dealing with PayPal lately has been nothing short of a major hassle. If the seller just took your money and went completely radio silent then escalate to a claim as fast as you can and you're good.

 

[Fish Fan]

I'm not saying you won't get your money back I'm just staying it's plausible to pull off a legitimate scam this way.

There is no such thing as a "legitimate scam".

My claim has already been filed, and I'll have my refund in full shortly. No worries at all ;-)

 

[Fish Fan]

From my PayPal account:

"Update on your case:

The seller has been asked to share an update on your order. If there's no response from them by November 26, 2024, you'll be sent a full refund.

What to expect:

We'll alert you when the seller shares tracking info. We'll also make sure to verify it before sharing it across."

So if this guy simply doesn't reply to this inquiry by the 26th, I get a refund in full. If he does come through with tracking info, I get my lights. It's looking pretty good, if not a little frustrating.