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This will be fought over for a very long time.
The science to prove the CURRENT method of Fish In cycling is still young, relatively speaking anyway.
I am sure there are hundreds of tanks that have been successful using this method.
Basing total and perfect success solely on the fact everything survived the process is not common sense.
I can offer evidence.
I live in an area where where we get inundated with smoke from forest fires.
The short time we humans are breathing this carcinogen filled air, there is a rash of people with induced breathing issues because of it. These are facts not fictions.
Did we / they all survive? Yes, but did they suffer, yes, (I did) do they have potential for long term effects that can cause health problems down the road. Yes.
Have many come out of this and not been effected, yes.
This has been proven time and time again.
So when you have a fish die 6 months later and are clueless as to why, well maybe it was because of the slight ammonia in the water when the fish in cycle was done.
The average hobbyist is NEVER going to pull out the fish and examine gill conditions before during and after the process. Nor will they have the scientific background to do so.
I am not saying that the Fish IN tank cycling is not successful or should not be done.
But I don't know that its the best way for the fish overall. The potential to harm or burn the gills is very real.
If ammonia was no big deal we reefers would not concern ourselves at all.
But we reefers are very concerned about the slightest level of ammonia and the potential of detrimental things than can and do happen to our fish.
Or is this a false statement?
@brandon429,
So based on the human studies I have presented twice now, I will use this as my scientific facts your looking for.
If you feel these facts can't or should not be translated to the Fish IN cycling then you would have to also conclude the reverse, that any study and research done to animals should not be used or applied to humans as well.
Even in your first post you state the fact I am speaking about.
" You can burn a three hundred dollar anemone and it still acts normal for half a year? "
But then what?
There are people I trust here on R2R and other reefing communities that are proponents of Fish and Bacteria in, and all is well. Some I look to as mentors, and respect them highly. I will not do this myself.
The science to prove the CURRENT method of Fish In cycling is still young, relatively speaking anyway.
I am sure there are hundreds of tanks that have been successful using this method.
Basing total and perfect success solely on the fact everything survived the process is not common sense.
I can offer evidence.
I live in an area where where we get inundated with smoke from forest fires.
The short time we humans are breathing this carcinogen filled air, there is a rash of people with induced breathing issues because of it. These are facts not fictions.
Did we / they all survive? Yes, but did they suffer, yes, (I did) do they have potential for long term effects that can cause health problems down the road. Yes.
Have many come out of this and not been effected, yes.
This has been proven time and time again.
So when you have a fish die 6 months later and are clueless as to why, well maybe it was because of the slight ammonia in the water when the fish in cycle was done.
The average hobbyist is NEVER going to pull out the fish and examine gill conditions before during and after the process. Nor will they have the scientific background to do so.
I am not saying that the Fish IN tank cycling is not successful or should not be done.
But I don't know that its the best way for the fish overall. The potential to harm or burn the gills is very real.
If ammonia was no big deal we reefers would not concern ourselves at all.
But we reefers are very concerned about the slightest level of ammonia and the potential of detrimental things than can and do happen to our fish.
Or is this a false statement?
@brandon429,
So based on the human studies I have presented twice now, I will use this as my scientific facts your looking for.
If you feel these facts can't or should not be translated to the Fish IN cycling then you would have to also conclude the reverse, that any study and research done to animals should not be used or applied to humans as well.
Even in your first post you state the fact I am speaking about.
" You can burn a three hundred dollar anemone and it still acts normal for half a year? "
But then what?
There are people I trust here on R2R and other reefing communities that are proponents of Fish and Bacteria in, and all is well. Some I look to as mentors, and respect them highly. I will not do this myself.