Reef2Reef Pest algae challenge thread hydrogen peroxide

[brandon429]

thank you and I do not deny an able jerk mode I have during heated battles admitted / being less willing to engage in them would be a better trait for me -but- there's good science being hacked around it all that's a fact.

those battles are rare, I can count about 3 individuals web wide who simply resisted my hearty peroxide offers, mostly its a group of happy experimenters just feeding back outcomes vs predictions.


Gets a little bit heated at times, I still love the challenge and adapting to different styles of communication /adapting my own.

You've always been so helpful as we teamed up on various ventures!
something about the controversy of early peroxide use was fueling for me, something about the controversy of making reefs that were illegally small was motivating, don't know why/

 

[Llorgon]

It goes flat like coke that's why I like that little disclaimer new opened bottle


Lol in 2011 in reefcentral peroxide thread here somewhere we had people using flat peroxide and I couldn't figure out for pages why the algae wouldn't respond dangit


http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2082359&page=62

I'm not saying someone should go give that thread the worlds most awesome lifter bump, I'm saying that rascal is the teeth cutting of peroxide work in reef tanks discovering sensitives vs tolerants and many overdoses track the true nature of filtration bacteria impact (hard to impact, even in overdoses)

Had no idea it went flat! I will pick up another bottle on the weekend and do the tests.

 

[taricha]

You know whats interesting about peroxide

Question Brandon. Can common peroxide be made denser (like with table salt) so spot treatments sink onto target, rather than float up so immediately?
Does that work?

 

[brandon429]

Friend I saw groups of people over at nano-reef.com mixing peroxide with baking soda and cake burning several unlucky bryopis test patches underwater w that work


I’m not sure if they pasted/wet-puttied it then spread it underwater with fingers or if they drained semi-larger tanks for access, applied the putty then refilled can’t recall that part but it was not harming anything nor causing adverse reactions. Lil soda. and we want pics lol

 

[Llorgon]

Some crappy phone camera pics. One piece of liverock is in a 10 gal tank with 1ml of hydrogen peroxide and the other of the rock dipped in it.

Rasping the other rock took forever! Good hour or more on a piece the same size as the one in the second photo. Probably doesn't help I was told I wasn't allowed to use any of the "good" knives to do it so my knife was a little dull...

 

[brandon429]

So so helpful documentation Llorgon + team thank you/ enjoy tracking this set of test rock assessments

 

[brandon429]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/turf-algae-nightmare.614936/page-3

a precision spot kill of turf algae, using 12% and pre rasping. After pics are shocking

That’s called not playing around, this works for bryopsis, GHA and chrysophytes invasions as well. Glad to have this work example


***on page one we said that to be invaded is a choice first and then a biology /genus / species thing a few steps after. This thread shows resolve, who cares what the ID of the plant was, it was blasted out. By choosing to blast the plant, the plant is not here and his reef is not invaded it’s the most straightforward behavioral element we can express in reef tank management.

 

[brandon429]

H202 accidental over 12g cube

So I was having a issue with hair algea. During my water change I removed as much as I could by hand and sprayed the areas with hair algae with h202 But I may have sprayed tooo much. Refilled tank with 6g of freshly mixed temp and salinity matvhed water. Both my war corals browed up, my red...

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That was an external spot application via spray. Not dumped in tank. Safe to say gha initially zapped, and some sensitivity reactions in corals and coralline are being observed.

 

[xiholdtruex]

H202 accidental over 12g cube

So I was having a issue with hair algea. During my water change I removed as much as I could by hand and sprayed the areas with hair algae with h202 But I may have sprayed tooo much. Refilled tank with 6g of freshly mixed temp and salinity matvhed water. Both my war corals browed up, my red...

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That was an external spot application via spray. Not dumped in tank. Safe to say gha initially zapped, and some sensitivity reactions in corals and coralline are being observed.

Will update here from now on , on tank

 

[xiholdtruex]

murphys law ontop of the fact my tank look like hell, was going to do a small water change and was matching tank water temp go look at my display tank and it was at 70 my heater died on me -.-

 

[brandon429]

We have much in common let me find some pics to show ya

I had been using a no name brand micro heater meant for a small display as my reef heater since about 2015. No fails.

It failed sometime in January this year


My 13 yr reefbowl was bleaching, as of feb, I’d never seen the event in every pico reef online and no set of clean rocks and algae free corals and wallops of coralline just dies. It puts on purple mass, not white nongrowth. Hadn't checked temps in a decade.




For eight weeks or so no heater


Your monti will come back don’t trash it. Takes 70 days of good temps and specifically CPR which is feed hq frozen reef food, change water. Feed, change water, cpr, bodybuilding for corals. The water change is the export for the mass feeding, it won’t always be this much work, but for seventy days you go from skinny system to ripped

Look at your coralline base, you have seeds for powerful regrowth seventy days


This below was the only pic I could stand to take because I thought my system was dying... couldn't just stand there and photograph it, it was horrible. Snapped one for science just in case.

Maritsa the vase Reef then reassured me it would come back in a month and that was accurate


I haven’t posted pics of my bleaching anywhere but since it happened to you, here they are. It was a hard bleach, estimated 68 degrees two mos straight, making this bowl, and your nano, among the toughest.


Rip cleaners are better suited to survive all forms of tank insult, detritus is harmful when under stress. You are a natural detritus controller, your tank w heal nicely. It’s strange we had such similar tank trajectories here are my happy - heartbreak- 100% same corals back, only via feed water change 2x weekly for seventy days. You don’t have to change 100% just be busier,sustained, for a full monti comeback

Before, happy.

Discovery of bad heater two mos

Notice gone gone monti, it’s not dead. It’s white in middle. That left sps is my blueberry monti, now red, but not receded at all, back to blue down below. These systems are amazing strong

Right this minute:

Same monti at bottom. Total water volume 1 gallon, 13 yrs. Clean sandbed, weathers storms. Yours will too


Hope!!

 

[brandon429]

The reefbowl has had more peroxide than any aquarium in all of humanity and it did 2months at 68 degrees
Feed and change is coral body building

That bleaching photo also shows which groundbreaking corals do winter temps first go, no evolution for it, including lobophyllia and war coral that’s why I think yours is coming back. You had survivors like mine

 

[xiholdtruex]

The reefbowl has had more peroxide than any aquarium in all of humanity and it did 2months at 68 degrees
Feed and change is coral body building

That bleaching photo also shows which groundbreaking corals do winter temps first go, no evolution for it, including lobophyllia and war coral that’s why I think yours is coming back. You had survivors like mine

Wow that was rough have never seen your bowl like that, that sure does give me hope for a come back. My tank is back up to 77 degrees at the moment and the rfas settled down, the frog spwn opened a little and I see some feathers extending on the birds nest.

What temp do you keep the bowl at? How often are you wc? Do you have any good you recommend for recovery?

I currently have my tem set at 78, feed reef roids and every few weeks a mix of reef roids, mysis,brine,plankton mixed together the corals and nems love it.

 

[brandon429]

That will work, your current plan and balance + time

My only advice would have been to feed well and assertively clean out the sand occasionally, vs the commoner approach which is feed hesitantly that way one can avoid sinking the sand which they never intend on cleaning. You already have clean sand though can’t wait to see your fix pics yours is quicker turnaround mine was near doom.

Tetra preset heater, 78

 

[xiholdtruex]

That will work, your current plan and balance + time

My only advice would have been to feed well and assertively clean out the sand occasionally, vs the commoner approach which is feed hesitantly that way one can avoid sinking the sand which they never intend on cleaning. You already have clean sand though can’t wait to see your fix pics yours is quicker turnaround mine was near doom.

Tetra preset heater, 78

Sounds good I could feed three times a week and vac the sand more to avoid getting it gunky. When my nems looked rough I fed them reef roids 3 times a week and they bounced back lost one and two had babies lol

 

[xiholdtruex]

Do you think that amino acid solution would benefit these corals in recovevery after a near death like these?

 

[Subsea]

Do you think that amino acid solution would benefit these corals in recovevery after a near death like these?

I can’t see where it would harm anything. Just follow vendors recommended protocoal.

All coral are capable of producing 22 differrent amino acids. Amino acids are naturally produced when bactetia feed on protein of which 75% are animal protein with the remainder from plant protein.

These proteins exist in our aquariums in the form of DETRITUS & ineaten food.

 

[brandon429]

Yes agreed to all

They're nutrients, dose them in change the water out, diversity of feed. We pack in nitrogen but it doesn't stay, it passes through then -out- water changes and or occasional rip cleans, if we are to stay clear of reefing how the masses do (masses=always invaded)

I have a handy term to sum up my entire stance on reefing, tank longevity, detritus yes no, and it's: throughput. Not storage, but pass through or throughput. Load in the detritus, but get it out too. Make it transitional marine snow, not sedimentary marine snow. Feeding a nice bioload always creates plenty of detritus so no need to store it

That's what the sand rinse thread is about, throughput. It's how I'd reef if I owned a tank large enough for fish, lots of protein and ground clams and mussels in per Paul to support fish, but no funky sandbed trapping it. Rollermats catching and exporting

Live rock stacks looking purple and caked in coral, but each secretly bound together and able to be lifted out of the tank, for external work obviously. Detritus does not supply unique nutrients or amino acids better than the cheapest possible feed for our tanks...it's a reduced addition. storing a little isn't horrible, but throughput reefing has less invasions and loss, it's how we are different here than the masses in technique

Detritus isn't harmful when accessible and oxygenated and is indeed + nutrition in balance for your system. Good you didn't have too much earlier, the loads of heterotrophic aerobes it carries and feeds can die off when stressed due to temps and that loss of mass cells leaks more irritants into the water and it can also overwhelm filtration bac in small tanks as initiator of a loss cascade. But now that you found the culprit, to have a little extra nutrient is indicated

See how we're dynamic? We can match detrital loading and risk to desired outcome, and or replace all stored waste with just clean feed going in and totally out if desired.

 

[xiholdtruex]

Some more casualties found today. One trochus snail and one more nassarius snail found dead. Pulled them out before they become ammonia batteries. They are behind a rock that I dont usually look behind. My poor old trochus snail he was a year and a half old and survived everything till now.

 

[xiholdtruex]

Seems like I was a bit late ammonia spiked a bit. Did a 3g wc and dosed seachem prime. Nitrite and nitrate look good. With my luck bumped my duncan grabbing snails anf it fell off the plug doh