Well you are correct. I didn’t use the zip ties but the cord had suction cups so I used them. Hold them up nicely
The Ecotech pump clones have arrived in Ali Express !!!
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My DMP 20s work really well in my 3’ X 2’ - 75 gallon. The corals are loving the flow. I’m even happier with them since they updated the software so that intensity can now be set on random flow.
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I really cannot steel myself to read all 58 (and counting) pages …. has anyone bothered to mention that chronic patent/IP infringement depresses innovation? Has jebao actually offered anything innovative, ever; or do they just copy the work of others? Maybe most people don’t care as long as they can get something cheaper…. seems kind of shortsighted to me.
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How does one connect the pump through wifi? I managed to connect through bluetooth after a few tries, but I cant seem to get wifi to work. I tried holding the on off button for few seconds, I see the wifi symbol flash only twice, the app sees my pump when searching for the pump, but when trying to connect to it, it would time out and fail. Tried that a few times and the same thing happens.
I think it's a hard sell to tell a hobbyists that they need to care about patent law. Or what it means to purchase a knockoff. Is it illegal? Is it a grey area? More important question is why should the average hobbyist care?
Companies make products we like and in turn consumers purchase them. That's as far as any customers loyalty should go. I get that marketing tries to blur that line by making users feel like they bought into a brand that align with their goals and values. But for some, if a generic copy is sold for less money, a consumer should be afforded the right to spend their money as they see fit. Feeling guilty that a company gets their legs cut off a few years before the patent runs out shouldn't break anyone's heart except those that profit from sales.
It's also a hard sell to say that this is going to stifle innovation. One point to push back on that is that competition probably a good thing for hobbyists.
If APL decides that they can't be competitive or if they choose not to innovative because of this, we'll then, move over, there's always someone else to fill the void.
It is sad that China is eating American companies from behind. My question (which really is none of my business) is what can American companies do to fight back? Do they fight to uphold their IP that is soon to expire? Do they lower their prices to compete? Do they come out with a better iteration of the product?
I don't know if I buy the shortsighted argument either. If anything they knew this day was coming, and what have they done? If there's any shortsightedness, it's them getting caught with their pants down.
Perhaps, instead of all this end fighting that is going on in this niche industry to establish dominance in market share, they should've been teaming up to keep China at bay. But instead it is a perfect storm of their own making and hobbyists shouldn't give 2 turds.
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That was the discussion/argument in most of the first half of the thread. Then once people started getting the pumps it shifted to talking about the pumps.
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citation needed
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Yes, there are multiple designs floating aroundLike these?
Vortech Dryside Cradle | 4D Aquatics
This cradle attaches to your tank via 2 sided tape. It allows the Ecotech Vortech Dryside Pump to stay in place during Wetside servicing and also prevents accidental drops, preventing severe damage to the pump.* Made with reef-safe plastics* Ecotech Dryside not included* Ecotech and Vortech are...www.4daquatics.com
RoanokeReef
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They added suction cups, does that count as innovation?
They copy for the majority of stuff, but some of their stuff is indeed different. Wouldn't say anything innovative besides getting a cheaper product to the market that works.
Looking at this as a consumer. I don't care. I'm looking for something cheaper than competitors. Its not my job to stick morals into the equation. That's for the companies to figure out.
Its just American Companies being far greedier with patents. Most if not all American made products are produced in china and assembled in America to get that stamp "Made in America".
I wonder if EcoTech is actually manufacturing everything in house. Parts to assembly. Then I can understand the costs involved. If not, I have no sympathy.
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The fundamental problem is the price gouging of hobbyists across the board (not unique to reefing). What is the justification of a $880 price tag on an MP60? I'd rather buy a handful of clones and have redundancy/spares rather than fork over the ecotech tax. The same applies for their lights (despite myself using them).
The fundamental rule of "vote with your wallet" applies to everything, I can't justify paying an order of magnitude more for a product simply because they were the first to do it, especially not in a world where technological innovation is so rapid. Competition sparks innovation, price competition is capitalism, and while this might be a Chinese clone that's again ignoring patents (also a tale as old as time), it might be the kick in the rear that Ecotech needs if they see a tangible impact on their P&L's to either; do something new, or recognize that their price isn't exactly justifiable (at least in my opinion).
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The back of one of my controllers states, "Assembled in the USA"....so do you think it was made here? If it was made here, it would say, "Made in the USA." All the Ecotechs I have, all the power supplies state, "Made in China."
Not made in America. Based off guidelines. Either assembled in America or Made in America. Made in America must have x amount of parts produced here.
This is where I question, how much is the parts costing coming from other countries? Is logistics, assembly the bulk cost? And lets discuss what's actually being assembled...
Considering the clone, I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same source. This is very common.
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Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the brand name and clones are produced in the same factories.
Who in their right mind is interested in paying nearly $900 for a powerhead (MP60)? The brand executives are floating at altitudes higher than your kid's kite.
Who in their right mind is interested in paying nearly $900 for a powerhead (MP60)? The brand executives are floating at altitudes higher than your kid's kite.
I highly doubt this. I would entertain this idea if the plastics were exactly the same, but everything from the plastic molds, to the driver, to the 3 phase motor is completely different. Don't get me wrong, this is a complete knock off but this isn't a case of the same manufacturer making production runs for jebao/jecod.
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You'd be surprised. Some of the factories that make these sorts of products have huge lists of clients and are logistical behemoths. It's quite possible ecotech is sourcing some or all of their parts through the same factories. It's possible jebao went to them and said "can you make me something like this in your catalog... but make these changes". That's how a lot of these places operate.
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