1st reef tank, needs to be done cheap (I keep freshwater planted ecosystem aquariums)

[NoahLikesFish]

Listen I've got 20+ years experience. Your dead wrong, period.

That sixth grade biology class you took, is the basics, not the end all be all.

A gulf mantis can kill things up to five times it's size. Care to dispute me? Cause I have scientific articles to prove I'm right. Not just my 13 year old teenager brain telling me I'm right.

ars you talking about spearers or crushers

 

[homer1475]

I've got nothing to do today.....

So this could get interesting.......


Maybe, just maybe, we can teach him something?

 

[NoahLikesFish]

It sounds to me like you’re determining what you need before you’re determining how to even do this.

That’s how you are supposed to do stuff, you think of what you want to do then you figure out how to do it it’s how I’ve done all my tanks

 

[NoahLikesFish]

You could teach me like about cheap diy things I can do to improve my tank

 

[Sharkbait19]

That’s how you are supposed to do stuff, you think of what you want to do then you figure out how to do it it’s how I’ve done all my tanks

You need to know how to do saltwater first.

ars you talking about spearers or crushers

Any

 

[homer1475]

ars you talking about spearers or crushers

Ohh look now were getting somewhere.

Either, you pick. Cause either can be found as a hitchhiker, and either can be murderous to creatures well above it's own size.

 

[123]

Dude parasites need hosts, they can live for like 2 weeks in 80 degree water, did you pay attention in biology? Gulf mantis are tiny too

Why are you being so rude to such knowledgeable people...

 

[Sharkbait19]

You could teach me like about cheap diy things I can do to improve my tank

We tried to tell you that it isn’t viable and won’t be sufficient to try unless you have years of experience and figured out all of the fine points and still have fallbacks. You won’t listen.

 

[Tamberav]

No it’s included in the cost I just have to pick up at at the air port

looks to be out of stock get the submerged option for sure then.

 

[NoahLikesFish]

Crushers basically punch spearers are sharp and stab your fish, if I have tiny fish like blennies and gobies and basslet, they would either not be considered a Threat if the shrimp is well fed or they would avoid the shrimp

 

[MrWhippy619]

You could teach me like about cheap diy things I can do to improve my tank

its pointless them teaching you anything if you dont listen in the first place

 

[Sharkbait19]

What you are trying to do right now simply is not feasible.

 

[reefinatl]

Not to mention the live rocks will bring in ich and velvet and other likely parasites.

You’re looking at a 45 day fallow minimum after you put in that rock.

Will is an overstatement, especially for fresh harvested liverock. Velvet is almost an absolute heck no. Ich is pretty minimal too. If by some absolute freal chance a tomont hit the rock the day it was being harvested it still generally sits in vats days or weeks and then there is time for ammonia cycle to settle out, maybe... There is a chance but incredibly low.

Now rock hooked up to an LFS system or from another hobbyist system, absolutely should fallow and really I wouldn't do it unless I cured it for months in a blacked out rubbermaid out of fear of aiptasia and a multitude of other pests.

 

[NoahLikesFish]

looks to be out of stock get the submerged option for sure then.

I just gotta wait for it to be in stock, it should be by a month from now most likely I’d assume

 

[Sharkbait19]

Crushers basically punch spearers are sharp and stab your fish, if I have tiny fish like blennies and gobies and basslet, they would either not be considered a Threat if the shrimp is well fed or they would avoid the shrimp

Or the shrimp would feel a little hungry and kill it anyway.
Both will eat whatever they catch.
You can keep a piranha well fed and let the tetra avoid it. The piranha will still kill the tetra because it is hardwired to do so.

 

[Sharkbait19]

So you’ve never watched a mantis shrimp break glass before, then. They are threats.

 

[NoahLikesFish]

Or the shrimp would feel a little hungry and kill it anyway.
Both will eat whatever they catch.
You can keep a piranha well fed and let the tetra avoid it. The piranha will still kill the tetra because it is hardwired to do so.

Phirannas don’t predate on tetras in the wild, they eat freshwater sponges, microfauna and they swarm stuff

 

[Sharkbait19]

Will is an overstatement, especially for fresh harvested liverock. Velvet is almost an absolute heck no. Ich is pretty minimal too. If by some absolute freal chance a tomont hit the rock the day it was being harvested it still generally sits in vats days or weeks and then there is time for ammonia cycle to settle out, maybe... There is a chance but incredibly low.

Now rock hooked up to an LFS system or from another hobbyist system, absolutely should fallow and really I wouldn't do it unless I cured it for months in a blacked out rubbermaid out of fear of aiptasia and a multitude of other pests.

True but it’s always best to assume the worst case scenario.

 

[NoahLikesFish]

So you’ve never watched a mantis shrimp break glass before, then.

Why was I being reccomended a mantis shrimp last night???????

 

[Tamberav]

Crushers basically punch spearers are sharp and stab your fish, if I have tiny fish like blennies and gobies and basslet, they would either not be considered a Threat if the shrimp is well fed or they would avoid the shrimp

I kept mantis for years and they like to hunt regardless of what you feed them. A very fast damsel usually is an ok tank mate.

They will kill even when not hungry and bury the food.