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then you add the price of the probesSo for $650 you can get the full apex “brain” $400 and an eb8 for $250. This is just 50 more than the apex el without having to abc the VDM. You can also do this slowly... if you have a classic... get the brain and then add the eb8. Just saying.
then you add the price of the probes
So without the 0-10v ports, do you have to buy that module to connect any 3rd party equipment for controllability, or is there a way to connect 3rd party stuff through other ports on the power bar?
I think adding novelty features, like Alexa support, is not something most users will use for this type of application.
Personally, I don't like those devices listening to what's going on at all times in my house. Yea, it only responds to key words, but it's always listening. I shut off the "OK Google" voice features on my phone also.
Removing the 0-10v ports was a bigger issue because that's what most 3rd party hardware operates on for any controllability... return pumps, lights, skimmers... correct?
Maybe to bring down hardware costs Neptune could implement a subscription service for Fusion and the app. Kind of how Microsoft and Sony do for their game consoles to operate online.
So reduce the price of hardware but charge $50/year for Fusion/app support. That covers your R&D for all of the software enhancements and can bring the price back down to earth without removing features that most people would use.
Yes they are a little expensive i ran for many years without out one, You can forsure start without out one. I have had them now for 3 years, now that i have 2 i will not run without one. Good luckAs a newbie, that has just purchased a used tank and sump. The thought of having a Apex controller that would be able to assist me as I learn how to take care of everything is very exciting until you see the cost. For me, I still have to purchase everything, from the return pump to skimmer to ATO. Having/wanting to add the cost of an Apex is every hard to justify. I'm guessing most newbies are in a similar spot as me with not having a huge starting budget. As much as I want an ApexEL controller for the start of my tank, I haven't convinced myself (non the less my wife) on it because of its price. I have read though all of Terrance's posts, I do under why they are priced where they are. With that said, this is just my newbie 2 cents.
Having/wanting to add the cost of an Apex is every hard to justify. I'm guessing most newbies are in a similar spot as me
I am a Reefer for 7 years. For 5 of the first years I didn't have one. I have the classic that runs my system very well. I honestly don't see myself without a controller. But for the price I still hesitate to realize I'm going to have to upgrade. This Apex is great and benefits are there to have one. but when the classic becomes no longer in service... believe me, I won't be buying a new system. Cost too much. The system can run without internet. Just more of a headache to operate.
I'll never leave the hobby but I won't bother buying another Apex or another controller. I did well for my first 5 years without one. Even controllers fail, so 100% piece of mind... don't count on it.
I don't like the $$ point on many things in this hobby. But what else can you do?
It's the technology that makes it expensive. And no automatic equipment is nothing without software. This how I feel with the entire thing. And the subscription? Well that's an entire different discussion.