I’ve owned 2ea juniors and 1ea lite unit for years ( since however long Apexes have been out) IMO the pm1’s are junk ...not much love or trust for probes of any Brand...no real issues with anything else
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This has been a ongoing issue ive always had with Neptune. Their warranty is the worst I uave ever dealt with and they are not customer friendly at all. I so want to switch to GHL but I have spent a LOT of money into the neptune and I will never get anything close to it and ive onkt had it for about 10 months. The jr I had worked great. They were like night and day. And the worst thing about it is they dont seem to care and dont care to fix anything.
But what if we have?
I was 100% confident in my other choice, Reef Angel just as much as I'm 100% confident on my Apex.
I did stop, but you keep posting about it and messaging me about it. If you want it to stop, stop doing that.
Dude you have got to stop. My message was asking you to stop. Seriously. Stop.
The secret sauce that makes people get compelled to buy an Apex is the Marketing and the Fusion software.
One of you just hit the ignore button please
robbyb ---->Shhh. I just made some Popcorn.
I think you did not read the part where I said "another brand of high end controller"
The Reef Angel is not a Multi thousand dollar controller system platform. Its a budget controller with open source software and very limited hardware expansion.
One of you just hit the ignore button please
I had an Apex classic and don't recall any specific issues with it.
I had an Apex 2016 and the skimmer and UV outlets were on a feed mode, they would very rarely not come back on after feed mode expired but Fusion would show them as on. The salinity probe connection could be much more secure, it would occasionally fall out of the head unit. While I'm not a fan of the aesthetics of the Apex equipment, I guess when it's in a cabinet the looks are a non issue.
I currently use a Profilux 4 and have no issues to report.
Definitely. GHL, for example, has great mobile/web apps. But the main Windows app makes you feel like you've traveled back to 1995 lol Everything is there and there are certainly plenty of options, but I think the old-school look is what scares a few people off. Appears harder than it is.
Marking wise, Neptune does quite well. BRS, for example, has a lot of sway in this hobby. And the Neptune/BRS marriage is quite solid at this point. Certainly understandable from a business perspective, but it does a lot to stifle competition and, in the end, the consumers are the ones who suffer.
FWIW, there are at least three facilities using APEX for coral spawning research.
As for BRS, it is a company that gives me totally mixed feelings.
I love their videos up until the point when they try to lead you into buying a product that they are trying to push. I guess fair is fair since the videos are free. I also have an issue with their prices as they are typically a lot more expensive than Marine Depot.
As for the Neptune/BRS marriage it has certainly had a really bad effect in the controller market. Way to many innovative US companies have died an early death due to it. The only big ones to survive are GHL and Aquatronica and the only reason they survived is because they both sell a ridiculous amounts of equipment in Europe and Asia. They look as the US market as secondary and difficult to deal with. Some would say well certainly Marine Depot would balance the scales. Well they don't because Neptune is so big in the USA controller market they can make MD think twice about doing certain things.
Thats a issue I have though, it's not the best insurance. The issues ive had with this nit wirking and that burning out I can not trust what I have. I have started to buy other products to replace or back up the ones I have on my apex and I feel I shouldn't have to do that with the money ive paid for the neptune products. And I am getting products that I can trust cheaper than what I paud for the neptune stuff. I just it is wrong in a lot of ways and I know everyone has not had the same ussues as me but there are a LOT that has. And it seems if they cared and was out to really help they would do something about it instead of taking money and just worring about selling more and more stuff. Fix and make right what they have out there now before moving on. Just my thoughts.Just one data point, but I had two classics back in the day, and now a 2016 model, with ATK and PM1 and such. I have had no significant failures, ever. (knock on wood). Fusion dropped out a few times last year but I think that was due to internet connectivity in my area. So 10 years of continuous duty with no major issues.
For the price, the gear seems like a solid deal to me, easy to program, easy to set up, cheap insurance. I am an engineer so I am used to coding. I wonder if some folks have issues because they program their units poorly or put them 3 inches from the sump.
I have not tried GHL or others.
Oh I will say the Salinity probe is completely useless. Folks should just not even try that sucker. Other than that things seem to work quite well for me. The power monitoring and such is pretty sweet too.
Good luck to the rest of you!
I think a list of what research/education (not vendors like BRS) facilities use what controller would be a fascinating display of mental gymnastics and rationalization as posters try to undercut each other and write off things for x, y, and z.
You can very much tell what products BRS marketing is pushing. Sometimes they are better than others with the script. My personal... qualm with the Neptune/BRS marriage has more to do with the Neptune business model and its heavy bias away from the LFS to volume sales outlets.
I Think research labs can be a real misleading metric. Most of these places have staff and researchers in the facility almost 24/7 and they have expensive testing gear for water quality. It's highly unlikely that something drastic is going to happen within the short window they are left unattended.
Anyone else concerned by what seems to be horrendous Neptune Apex reliability? My Apex unit has died for the second time in 8 months, last time it took them two weeks to replace, doesn't seem like its going to be any quicker this time! Last time I was too happy that they warranty replaced my sparkling new weeks old unit with a scratched and dirty reconditioned box. They've already had to replace two optical sensors that went rusty in the sump. My Neptune experience to date gives me little confidence, both hardware and support have been very poor.