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I can't take anything prime corals says seriously. Especially when they sell eagle eyes for 50 dollars a polyp...
This reminds me of coral dudes and cigar shark all over again.
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Hi, @chris85, as already quoted in previous posts, although the true and legitimate concern with the WD of corals goes back almost to the beginnings of the our hobby (beginning soon after mastering the techniques and technologies that allowed to keep SPS in captivity), in the scientific environment this interest, more direct and more intense, occurs in a more recent period, in the wake of the events related to the anthropogenic influence in the natural environment of these beings, especially by the effects produced there by the phenomena related to global warming.@PSXerholic @Reefahholic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1892877/
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I havn't finished your article yet, but i will soon. Do you have an audio file I could fast forward.
It is also suggested that the zoos. May have a chemical suppressant so they don't get eaten. Which is what got me to thinking awhile back when I ran across a few articles (i will try and find later). That is the zooxanthellae were to be infected and released the suppressant, they wouldn't get expelled
therefore letting the disease build on the inside till it was too late.
I also ran across an article that went through the effect of zooxanthellae expulsion under different temps.... When the temps got to almost 90 the zooxanthellae in Xenia were released so fast that it didn't follow the expulsion channels and made lesions in the skin which could potentially leave an access point for futher damage by the bacteria.
Any thought or am I a complete dummy and just making stuff up!?!
@Jose Mayo or anyone else that can help me out?
http://www.scielo.sa.cr/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0034-77442006000600013
Just thought these article might help.
Thanks @Jose MayoHi, @chris85, as already quoted in previous posts, although the true and legitimate concern with the WD of corals goes back almost to the beginnings of the our hobby (beginning soon after mastering the techniques and technologies that allowed to keep SPS in captivity), in the scientific environment this interest, more direct and more intense, occurs in a more recent period, in the wake of the events related to the anthropogenic influence in the natural environment of these beings, especially by the effects produced there by the phenomena related to global warming.
Since then, many field works have been produced and many observations and conclusions have been published in peer reviewed journals and specialized magazines, being the most competently performed, and most reproducible, elevated to the condition of reference and cited by many other authors, in this area of knowledge, thus becoming more widely known, accepted and disseminated in the scientific medium.
Is this the absolute truth? Not! Only represents the best evidence for a given event in a given time scale, and even if a particular result can be consistently reproduced, by a given process, in given experiment, still can not scientist claim nothing but strong evidence for or against particular hypothesis, which will have to be tested also by the sieve of time and new knowledge in that area, before it becomes theory. This is what is called FALSIFIABILITY of Science and this is how the best Science is produced.
From this mozaic, elaborated from the various hypotheses about certain facts observed in well-conducted experiments, even if apparently antagonistic in their results, often due to differences in their execution projects, is that the scientific mind seeks to extract the applications and practices that better enable us to know or resolve the issues that distress us.
Regrettably, there to this moment, and on the subject of this topic, no many definite conclusions already published or known ... but we are progressing.
Best Regards
Btw, I was live when a microorganism intruded an intact ZooX and ate it from the inside.
This was under 2500x and this organism was very quick and active.
Our thinking about that a bacteria is very small is totally outdated.
We need better microscopes
It was extremely odd. The brown nut looking thing @1 o’clock swam towards the ZooX and then these microbes were seen all over short after, maybe a minute later.Fantastic!
Maybe you're seeing something new there, something like a cytophagous bacterium invading the Symbiodinium cell in an absolutely destructive way; I did a quick search here, and I did not find any reports on that.It was extremely odd. The brown nut looking thing @1 o’clock swam towards the ZooX and then these microbes were seen all over short after, maybe a minute later.
The lil guy at 11‘o clock was very fast and I observed him intruding the ZooX and eating this area up.
I barely could see it, had to use the cell phone and zooming in to see this.
BTW, from what I do see, this has nothing to do with the STN in my tank. However I’m afraid lil microbes like this may be the reason behind STN and taking the mucus layer apart, which won’t see under normal microscopes.
If anyone has a Electron microscope laying around and no use for it ..... here please ;-)
They definitely look destructive and seem to have enough speed to get it done. I can tell you’re maxed on magnification because that zoox looks like a basketball.
We may need to start painting the base of acropora with white paint.
Andre Cody just sent me this PM:
Have y'all just tried a good old fashioned Lugols dip to treat the Vibrio? Iodine dip can be an antiseptic. This project (linked below) ran the experiment and took pictures of the results of amphicilin, and treating the bacteria stopped the skin loss. Like I said before, they treated the cilites and the skin loss continued. They treated the Vibrio and the skin loss stopped. I've read about half of the pages on the r2r thread and saw no mention of the iodine dip. Good to hear about the hydrogen peroxide dip as well.
Experimental antibiotic treatment identifies potential pathogens of white band disease in the endangered Caribbean coral Acropora cervicornis
I know these articles and treatments done at a pretty high concentration of antibiotics at 100mg/L
I tried already Metro in acceptable doses at 1mg/L 4 times per day and now try Ampicillin at 1mg\L twice per day.
Lugol I haven’t tried actually to see if it kills these microbes!!! Will try that shortly.
It would be helpful to know this microbe in order to defend it.
9k per month.....Those almost look like Philaster Lucinda's before they eat and get fat.
Ohh, look what I just found! wink wink
https://www.kwipped.com/rentals/laboratory/electron-microscopes/707
Waiting for a lab quote in Nort Houston now
Just as a curiosity, but related to the subject, I have read in some papers, directed to the medical parasitology, on the effects of new drugs, previously used for another purpose, in the control of trypanosomiasis and other diseases produced by flagellated microorganisms, especially Trypanosoma sp. and Leishmania sp, causing human disease such as Chagas disease and Leishmaniasis, produced by the mentioned microorganisms.I know these articles and treatments done at a pretty high concentration of antibiotics at 100mg/L
I tried already Metro in acceptable doses at 1mg/L 4 times per day and now try Ampicillin at 1mg\L twice per day.
Lugol I haven’t tried actually to see if it kills these microbes!!! Will try that shortly.
It would be helpful to know this microbe in order to defend it.