First ICP results back in new tank with several abnormalities.

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I just recently sent off and received my first ICP test results for my work-in-progress tank. As a summary, I have a 1000 gallon tank that I have been in the process of converting from a previously successful freshwater build over to saltwater. It is my hope to have a mixed reef tank. The tank itself is an in-wall aquarium in a house I purchased. Within the tank itself is mortared decorative rock structure on 3 sides. One big concern I had and reason I sent a baseline ICP was to see if these structures would leach anything into the tank that might preclude me from successfully growing corals. I'm not going to include a bunch of pictures of the tank here but you are welcome to check out my tank thread to see what I am referring to.

The test was sent to ATI along with a RODI water sample. Here are the results:

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A number of abnormalities noted though as I have looked at each individual element I don't see anything that I think would absolutely prevent me from growing corals.

KH is low but this was taken only a few weeks after completing my cycle. I am working under the assumption that is why it is so low and water changes can bring it back up. Otherwise, it can be dosed.

Mag and Sulfur are a little off but I am hopeful regular water changes can also bring those in line.

Bromine, Strontium, Barium, Vanadium, and Zinc are elevated but prior posts from Randy Holmes-Farley regarding similar issues don't appear to be big issues within a reef tank.

Silicone/silicates and Iodine both test high and I am unsure where this came from. It is a brand new tank with new sand. Could that account for the silicates? I am at a loss for where the iodine comes from.

Testing of the RODI water reveals everything is undetectable except for Zinc which is lower than what the tank is testing out at.
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My baseline ICP has returned. This was sent to ATI so that the display tank and RODI were both tested.

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One big reason I have sent off an ICP was to see if anything was being leached into the water from the surrounding rock structure that would make it difficult to grow corals. A number of abnormalities noted though as I have looked at each individual element I don't see anything that I think would absolutely prevent me from growing corals.

KH is low but this was taken only a few weeks after completing my cycle. I am working under the assumption that is why it is so low and water changes can bring it back up. Otherwise, it can be dosed.

Mag and Sulfur are a little off but I am hopeful regular water changes can also bring those in line.

Bromine, Strontium, Barium, Vanadium, and Zinc are elevated but prior posts from Randy Holmes-Farley regarding similar issues don't appear to be big issues within a reef tank.

Silicone/silicates and Iodine both test high and I am unsure where this came from. It is a brand new tank with new sand. Could that account for the silicates? I am at a loss for where the iodine comes from.

Testing of the RODI water reveals everything is undetectable except for Zinc which is lower than what the tank is testing out at.

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The only thing in my RODI tank that could potentially leach zinc would be my tethered float switch provided to me from Buckeye Hydro but it appears to be well-sealed (no water drains from it when I lift it out of the water to inspect). Everything else appears to be plastic.

My next big purchase was going to be lights for corals. Does anyone see any red flags that would prevent me from growing coral where I should pivot and look at a FOWLR tank instead? I don't believe there to be, but I figured more eyes on this the better as the lights I will need will be a big purchase. I think most of this is manageable with continued water changes and other abnormalities appear to be inconsequential at the detected levels based on my searches through old posts. Thanks!
 

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Alk is too low and needs to be raised.

Calcium is very high, but that’s ok. Just don’t add any.

Magnesium is very low. Boost to 1300 ppm over a week. Use magnesium chloride only because sulfate is already high.

Iodine is high. Don’t add any. Don’t feed nori.

Zinc and vanadium are high. Check and remove any metal parts in the water.
 
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Thanks for the response. This tank is fallow and has just completed a cycle. Other than salt mix and ammonia nothing else has been added. As far as I can see I can find no metal in the aquarium or the storage tank. Would the zinc and vanadium cause issues growing corals at these levels?
 

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Thanks for the response. This tank is fallow and has just completed a cycle. Other than salt mix and ammonia nothing else has been added. As far as I can see I can find no metal in the aquarium or the storage tank. Would the zinc and vanadium cause issues growing corals at these levels?

I’m not sure. There’s relatively little info on what chemical forms of what elements at elevated levels become toxic. Might be easiest to try an easy and inexpensive coral than trying to lower it then keep checking by icp if it did lower.

How did the calcium get that high?
 
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Perhaps the diy rockscape? Made with oyster shell and Portland cement. It then sat in water for several months to cure changing it out frequently, but perhaps it's still leaching out?
 
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Probably a good chance. Lots of silicates in theformulation. I think that may explain the calcium and silicone testing high? A quick Google search points out possible traces of vanadium as well? Still not sure why the zinc is coming from since it tests about half as high in the rodi water as compared to the aquarium water.
 
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10% ammonium hydroxide (it's the ace hardware one that I purchased when I cycled my original tank when it was freshwater). Added to get to 2ppm, which for the size of my tank is around 70mL. I don't recall how many times I did this but was trying to build up a good base of bacteria. I added it 3 or 4 times over a several weeks period when the level dropped to less than 0.1, checked by a Hanna checker.
 

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10% ammonium hydroxide (it's the ace hardware one that I purchased when I cycled my original tank when it was freshwater). Added to get to 2ppm, which for the size of my tank is around 70mL. I don't recall how many times I did this but was trying to build up a good base of bacteria. I added it 3 or 4 times over a several weeks period when the level dropped to less than 0.1, checked by a Hanna checker.

8 ppm ammonia from ammonium hydroxide (assuming it was pure) will deplete about 1.5 dKH of alk if converted into nitrate.
 
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Just got home from a weekend trip and got out my red sea test kit. I have been continuing water changes since I sent the original icp and wanted to see how it compares. I'm getting 35ppt, pH of 8.0, dkH of 7.3, calcium of 705, and Mag of 1300. Either things are correcting well with continued water changes or ICP test error. I think I'll ultimately repeat the ICP before I plan on any big changes other than continuing water changes.
 
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I'm continuing to monitor my water parameters. I have added sodium bicarbonate to bump my dkh up as it keeps trending down. I'm aiming to keep it a t 9. Every time I do this my tank consumes somewhere around 0.5 to 1 point of dkh each day and then I replace it. What is happening here?

Is my excess calcium combining with the bicarb to form calcium carbonate and dropping the alkalinity? I am continuing to test the calcium and mag. The calcium is slowly trending down and there is not much but a little bit of haze to the water so I am assuming calcium carbonate. The magnesium is still testing low. I have mag chloride ordered and should arrive this week. Will replacing the magnesium back to normal levels stabilize this effect?

I can't figure out what else would be consuming alkalinity in this empty tank.
 

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Calcium that high will help drive abiotic precipitation of calcium carbonate. That’s not any problem unless it hardens sand or clogs pumps.

Organisms in the tank may also consume some alk. Even snails consume alk.
 
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Glad to know I'm right. I'm finally using my chemistry minor after 19 years figuring that out! The tank is empty at the moment. No snails, just some copepods so far. Magnesium chloride is supposed to arrive today. Will increasing that level help stabilize this reaction? I imagine slowly bringing the calcium down to normal levels will help equilibrate this too.
 

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