Fish breathing and swimming at flow @day 9 of copper, what is it?

[Tamberav]

Fins may be getting nipped by the other tang and progressing into bacterial issue.

Looking back at your video of all the fish, I wouldn't say your yellow fella looks terribly friendly.

My Tang likes to intimidate others very subtle like.. just sort of swimming under them or in their path or turning sideways to show how big he is.

Video was short so I can't say but I'd watch them closely. A fish going up to the corner sometimes means they are being bullied.

 

[Hezam]

Fins may be getting nipped by the other tang and progressing into bacterial issue.

Looking back at your video of all the fish, I wouldn't say your yellow fella looks terribly friendly.

My Tang likes to intimidate others very subtle like.. just sort of swimming under them or in their path or turning sideways to show how big he is.

Video was short so I can't say but I'd watch them closely. A fish going up to the corner sometimes means they are being bullied.

Hmmm I just spent a good 1 hour observing them and honestly I couldn't find any moment where the orange shoulder showed aggression. You could be right but honestly I don't know. Maybe at night? By aggression they should be somewhat chasing each other right? I do have a spare third tank I can transfer the tang to. Do I have to treat the fins?

 

[Tamberav]

I would treat the fins with antibiotics if it continues to progress/deteriorate.

 

[Hezam]

Thanks for all the help guys and sorry for the bombardment of questions, I was kinda panicking. Last time this happened I instantly dosed prazi with copper and I misdiagnosed flukes and killed all my fish. Gonna slow down this time and try to get a better diagnosis, I don't think it's flukes because no loss of appetite or scratching or yawning. Just swimming at the powerhead. Could be aggression. Will monitor until day 14 where I will transfer out to a sterile tank. I can do prazi there safely and cover the basics

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hey guys I managed to pull out my old canon to actually take some better photos. What I noticed is that the sailfin tangs Fins are looking bad, it wasn't like that at all in the 2 days ago. Also there is some pitting near the eyes. What could that be? Other fish visually look fine.

Surprisingly both tangs are still eating! They just ate some pellets

Fins show light aggression damage with healing and the pitting looks like light HLLE as the fish is also slightly thin and often associated with water quality and diet. Not sure what foods your are feeding but these fish need vitamin C, fats and omegas in their diet and a few good foods are LRS Herbivore frenzy, plankton, mysis shrimp, Hikari seaweed extreme pellets and Formula two frozen

 

[Hezam]

Fins show light aggression damage with healing and the pitting looks like light HLLE as the fish is also slightly thin and often associated with water quality and diet. Not sure what foods your are feeding but these fish need vitamin C, fats and omegas in their diet and a few good foods are LRS Herbivore frenzy, plankton, mysis shrimp, Hikari seaweed extreme pellets and Formula two frozen

I've only had these fish for 8 days. When I got them they were Extremely thin. They looked much worse at the LFS actually. I am currently feeding mysis, brine shrimp, hikari sea weed extreme pellets, hikari marine pellets and some nori sheets. I do have some formula two pellets but didn't offer to them. Is that good enough?

Water quality I don't know how to address that. It seems like fish hate being in copper. I am changing like 80% percent of the water every two days. Siphoning out all the waste and no food sits at the bottom. Trying to maintain a very clean tank. Not sure how to get even better water quality

 

[MnFish1]

Sorry by lesions what do you mean, as damaged tissue by flukes? Am I able to see that

I meant - on the pictures you sent on my computer - I do not see specific lesions - though the way the fish is holding itself/fins - is odd

 

[MnFish1]

Thanks for all the help guys and sorry for the bombardment of questions, I was kinda panicking. Last time this happened I instantly dosed prazi with copper and I misdiagnosed flukes and killed all my fish. Gonna slow down this time and try to get a better diagnosis, I don't think it's flukes because no loss of appetite or scratching or yawning. Just swimming at the powerhead. Could be aggression. Will monitor until day 14 where I will transfer out to a sterile tank. I can do prazi there safely and cover the basics

It's fine - IMHO - the key is as @tamberev said - progression. Second - you may often not see aggression while you're sitting there - its often best to post a camera/recorder for 3-4 hours

 

[vetteguy53081]

I've only had these fish for 8 days. When I got them they were Extremely thin. They looked much worse at the LFS actually. I am currently feeding mysis, brine shrimp, hikari sea weed extreme pellets, hikari marine pellets and some nori sheets. I do have some formula two pellets but didn't offer to them. Is that good enough?

Water quality I don't know how to address that. It seems like fish hate being in copper. I am changing like 80% percent of the water every two days. Siphoning out all the waste and no food sits at the bottom. Trying to maintain a very clean tank. Not sure how to get even better water quality

At minimum, add LRS Herbivore frenzy. While this fish is a herbivore, it needs meats and vitamins in its diet. No need to change this much water this frequently unless you are showing high ammonia levels

 

[427HISS]

I can understand that you don't have a local fish store, but quit buying from the business you're buying from now !!! If their selling sick livestock, you're just helping them stay,.... in business !

A store by me has been in business since 1972 and was owned and managed my caring and loving people of all their livestock, but it was sold in 2014 and I will never,....buy anything from them, not even air live tubbing. All the employees want to do is be on their cell phones, all dang day. I would call out quietly, that there is a dead or dying fish in that tank, and he said, "oh yeah, he was fish food this morning". I'm sorry, but I said, "this is the last time I'm ever in this store again @@@hole" ! That wasn't the first time either.

SO PLEASE,...don't support that business anymore. Isn't their any hobbyists near you, a club etc. ? Is shipping too far away ?

If you can't post here, send me PM saying what Country you're from. I have a guy that knows shippers all over the globe and has been in that field for over 35 years supplying even the richest of the rich with fish that are over $8k each as well as corals.

 

[Hezam]

I can understand that you don't have a local fish store, but quit buying from the business you're buying from now !!! If their selling sick livestock, you're just helping them stay,.... in business !

A store by me has been in business since 1972 and was owned and managed my caring and loving people of all their livestock, but it was sold in 2014 and I will never,....buy anything from them, not even air live tubbing. All the employees want to do is be on their cell phones, all dang day. I would call out quietly, that there is a dead or dying fish in that tank, and he said, "oh yeah, he was fish food this morning". I'm sorry, but I said, "this is the last time I'm ever in this store again @@@hole" ! That wasn't the first time either.

SO PLEASE,...don't support that business anymore. Isn't their any hobbyists near you, a club etc. ? Is shipping too far away ?

If you can't post here, send me PM saying what Country you're from. I have a guy that knows shippers all over the globe and has been in that field for over 35 years supplying even the richest of the rich with fish that are over $8k each as well as corals.

I'll send you a DM

 

[Hezam]

So I closed down for the night planning on separate the tangs first thing in the morning, but woke up to this. I did see the Orange shoulder come take a nip while I was there. So unfortunately you guys are right it was aggression. I was so focused on disease/parasites that I completely forget that aggression could be a serious problem. Also I am not really familiar with how the tangs show aggression behavior. I thought it would be obvious like a full on cat fight. The sailfin is not dead yet I moved it to a different tank but I don't think it will make it. The copper band is still swimming at the flow, that's a different problem I think. If the orange shoulder passes quarantine how would I make introduce it to my tank? It will be the only tang if there, would the aggression go away if it's a big tank? It's a 300 gallon 6.6ft

 

[MnFish1]

So I closed down for the night planning on separate the tangs first thing in the morning, but woke up to this. I did see the Orange shoulder come take a nip while I was there. So unfortunately you guys are right it was aggression. I was so focused on disease/parasites that I completely forget that aggression could be a serious problem. Also I am not really familiar with how the tangs show aggression behavior. I thought it would be obvious like a full on cat fight. The sailfin is not dead yet I moved it to a different tank but I don't think it will make it. The copper band is still swimming at the flow, that's a different problem I think. If the orange shoulder passes quarantine how would I make introduce it to my tank? It will be the only tang if there, would the aggression go away if it's a big tank? It's a 300 gallon 6.6ft

Unfortunately, I agree with you - what medications (if any) are the fish in now?

 

[exnisstech]

Hopefully the remaining tang doesn't start targeting the CBB now. CBB are a very difficult fish to get through this type of QT even without aggresion.

 

[Hezam]

Hopefully the remaining tang doesn't start targeting the CBB now. CBB are a very difficult fish to get through this type of QT even without aggresion.

The orange shoulder instantly switched to the copper band! dang this fish is nasty considering it's only 2 inches I didn't expect this level of aggressiveness. Is it because it's in a small tank? Will it have this same aggressiveness when I move to the 300g?

Unfortunately, I agree with you - what medications (if any) are the fish in now?

Yes both fish are in 2.45ppm copper, they have only 4 days left. There's a third tank that doesn't have copper I will move them out of copper when they are done, but I don't think I will combine them again. They will move to separate clean tanks after copper.