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Nothin bad to report. Lowering my lights seems to have given everything a boost. Even the receding encruster is recovering. I may have discovered how to increase the “bag of sand” phosphate removal but I really need to do a few tests before mentioning it, doh!
And my urchin has decided after 3 years that he will wear two snail hats.
Salinity 35ppt, nitrate 40 ish, phos 0.25, temp 25.5C
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I can’t wait to hear about the new sand generation method. I’m going to guess you add some muriatic acid to lower the pH.
 
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Decided to add some aeration today to the sump, as a Christmas present to the tank. I already had a 3 watt air pump, airline and air stone, lol. I’m a cheapskate.

Pic of tank from a different perspective to end the year :)
Happy Christmas all
 

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Tank looks good. Merry Christmas, you’ve been a very nice chap to me this year. :)
 
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Nothin major to report this month, stuff seems to be growing well. I chopped the head off this pink thing that’s puddling but little else, (gave it to the wife for her tank). Added my CO2 bubbly thing to her tank also, to combat the vinegar she’s using whilst dabbling with carbon dosing. In my tank I’m dabbling with reacting Lugols in old tank water then dosing that, see what happens, lol
 

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Intentionally damaged puddler. Reaction from damage, Lugols or coincidence? I’ll try and keep the camera flat against the glass so the pic is at the same angle from now on, lol

Edit - worked out how to get a similar angle on the pic by putting reference marks on the screen, then lining them up, so pics are direct comparisons, near enough. Lighting settings identical, same camera.

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Couple of mods this month. Started adding Lugols and DIY iron and manganese to daily water change. Also DIY’d a gravity fed top off.
 

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I'll stick a pic up of the wife's tank for the heck of it;
 

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Another monthly pic. Don’t remember doing anything odd this month, except I tested ammonia for the heck of it, which appears to indicate a flux from fish to other things. An acro has bleached on the bottom half, not surprised though as it’s in the shade, been attacked from the back side by stingy things and a branch got snapped off.

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The acro that was STN’ing, bit the dust. Another green acro joined him but some remains and is doing well. The last few months I stopped adding vinegar to the kalk. This immediately stopped the progression of the strange SPS bubbly disease I encountered, and three weeks later all bubblyness had gone. I’ve restricted my pH to 8.4 maximum using a DIY C02 thingy and stopped kalk during the day, using bicarbonate two part during the lit period. Pics;
 

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This is the second post I read about someone having a bubbling sps disease with vinegar. Interesting.
 

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I can't find any Vinegar that is specified as "distilled" in the EU.
I only find clear, white vinegar called "alcohol white vinegar 8%", is it the same ?

I've dosed it in the past, but quickly found that my acropora tissue was bubbling, like bubble of water under the tissue that would pop and cause a necrosis.
Stopped immediately when I stopped dosing it.

Now just put back Vodka but I have to say that Vinegar is much cheaper if working the same way.
 
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This is the second post I read about someone having a bubbling sps disease with vinegar. Interesting.
Indeed. I was hoping for zero negative effects of dosing vinegar. My algae scrubbing insomnia 12 or 13 years ago presented information that sugars released from excessive algal growth could ultimately prove harmful for corals, I was hoping vinegar would be different. There's a couple of us that believe excessive algae exudates are bad, perhaps @Timfish could furnish this thread with his data bomb. I'd love reefbuilders to include algal exudates in their carbon dosing experiments.
 

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You asked for it! :D But really it's any excess labile DOC that promotes microbial growth. A critical paper for Rohwer's DDam mtheory (that's been proven now with research by Haas) was this paper by Kline, et al (2006) even the DOC from a coral when concentrated and reapplied to the same coral caused problems. Additinally, we need to remember or pay attention to not only species specific but genotype specific as well as adapted responses of a given colony, we can't assume the response of one colony in a system will apply even to a clone colony in the same system but in a different location. We also cannot use either growth or coloration as indicators of corals health.

FWIW, since Haas (see below refferences) has shown excess microbial growth can create anoxic conditions on the surface of corals and type of tissue loss when labile DOC. aka carbon dosing, is being used can be caused by the labile DOC


I haven't had the time to look through all the posts son there may be some redundancy but I'll start off with Salem Clemens article on Reefbuilders. While I've been saying much the same for years his article is a pretty good presentation of the problem we have.

He does leave out a couple problems though. One is the problem of ozone and refractory DOC and the other is the duality of sponges. Sponges can process algae DOC distinctly different from coral DOC. This can include sponges in a potential feedback loop that results in coral decline. There is definitely issues using ozone with refractory DOC in a system. As it will break down the refractory DOC in a system and make it available for microbial growth, a system can see much the same issues as a system where labile DOC is used allowing heterotrophic bacteria to feed on the refractory DOC and creating the anoxic conditions and pathogenic shifts associated with their uncontrolled growth.

Water changes still are the best way to remove refractory DOC, keep it from building up in a system and remove in equal protions hydrophillic and hydrophobic polutants.


Rohwer's book and select videos

"Coral Reefs in the Microbial Seas " This video compliments Rohwer's book of the same title. Used copies are available on line and it may be free to read on Internet Archive. both deal with the conflicting roles of the different types of DOC (carbon dosing) in reef ecosystems and how it can alter coral microbiomes. While there is overlap bewteen his book and the video both have information not covered by the other and together give a broader view of the complex relationships found in reef ecosystems and are an excellent starting point to understand the conflicting roles of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC, aka "carbon dosing") in reef ecosystems.


Changing Seas - Mysterious Microbes


Microbial view of Coral Decline


Nitrogen cycling in hte coral holobiont


BActeria and Sponges


Maintenance of Coral Reef Health (refferences at the end)


Optical Feedback Loop in Colorful Coral Bleaching


DNA Sequencing and the Reef Tank Microbiome


Richard Ross What's up with phosphate"


DOC stuff

For refference when talking about DOC; While large portion of compunds that make up DOC are still undiferentiated DOC can be roughly divided into "labile" "semirefractory" and "refreactory". The deep oceans are "sinks" for refractory DOC and may have only a few percent of labile DOC. Reef systems in contrast will comprise of about 1/3 labile DOC, a small portion of semi-refractory and about 2/3rds refractory. Here's a short terms of terms also as there's some different terms used that are almost identical:

DOC - Dissolved Organic Carbon, really small stuff
DOM - Dissolved Organic Matter, some might consider this term more appropraite to DOC as there's a lot still undiferentiated
POC - Particulate Organic Carbon, stuff to large to be DOC
TOC - Total Organic Carbon = DOC + POC In reef systems DOC accounts for about 90% and POC about 10%


Indirect effects of algae on coral: algae‐mediated, microbe‐induced coral mortality

Influence of coral and algal exudates on microbially mediated reef metabolism.
Coral DOC improves oxygen (autotrophy), algae DOC reduces oxygen (heterotrophy).

Role of elevated organic carbon levels and microbial activity in coral mortality

Effects of Coral Reef Benthic Primary Producers on Dissolved Organic Carbon and Microbial Activity
Algae releases significantly more DOC into the water than coral.

Pathologies and mortality rates caused by organic carbon and nutrient stressors in three Caribbean coral species.
DOC caused coral death but not high nitrates, phosphates or ammonium.

Visualization of oxygen distribution patterns caused by coral and algae

Biological oxygen demand optode analysis of coral reef-associated microbial communities exposed to algal exudates
Exposure to exudates derived from turf algae stimulated higher oxygen drawdown by the coral-associated bacteria.

Microbial ecology: Algae feed a shift on coral reefs

Coral and macroalgal exudates vary in neutral sugar composition and differentially enrich reef bacterioplankton lineages.

Sugar enrichment provides evidence for a role of nitrogen fixation in coral bleaching

Elevated ammonium delays the impairment of the coral-dinoflagellate symbiosis during labile carbon pollution
(here's an argument for maintaining heavy fish loads if you're carbon dosing)

Excess labile carbon promotes the expression of virulence factors in coral reef bacterioplankton

Unseen players shape benthic competition on coral reefs.

Allelochemicals Produced by Brown Macroalgae of the Lobophora Genus Are Active against Coral Larvae and Associated Bacteria, Supporting Pathogenic Shifts to Vibrio Dominance.

Macroalgae decrease growth and alter microbial community structure of the reef-building coral, Porites astreoides.

Macroalgal extracts induce bacterial assemblage shifts and sublethal tissue stress in Caribbean corals.

Biophysical and physiological processes causing oxygen loss from coral reefs.

Global microbialization of coral reefs
DDAM Proven

Coral Reef Microorganisms in a Changing Climate, Fig 3

Ecosystem Microbiology of Coral Reefs: Linking Genomic, Metabolomic, and Biogeochemical Dynamics from Animal Symbioses to Reefscape Processes

Ken Feldman's papers
Back in 2008 and 2009 Ken Feldman, a researcher at Penn State, conducted some experiments and posted a series of articles on Advanced Aquarist introducing aquarists to the some of the research on DOC and publishing his research on TOC and bacteria in aquaria.

Total Organic Carbon Pt 1

Total Organic Carbon Pt 2

Protein Skimmer Performance, Pt 1

Protein Skimmer Performance, Pt 2

Elemental Analysis of Skimmate

Bacterial Counts in Reef Aquarium Water


Sponge stuff

And here I gotta give a shout out to Steve Tyree, who back in the 90's was championing the use of cryptic sponges and cryptic zones, It's really too bad more "gurus" didn't pay attention to what he was trying to point out about sponges him instead of touting inorganic phosphorus as a major problem.

Element cycling on tropical coral reefs.
This is Jasper de Geoij's ground breaking research on reef sponge finding some species process labile DOC 1000X faster than bacterioplankton. (The introduction is in Dutch but the content is in English.)

Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Differential recycling of coral and algal dissolved organic matter via the sponge loop.
Sponges treat DOC from algae differently than DOC from corals

A Vicious Circle? Altered Carbon and Nutrient Cycling May Explain the Low Resilience of Caribbean Coral Reefs

Surviving in a Marine Desert The Sponge Loop Retains Resources Within Coral Reefs
Dissolved organic carbon and nitrogen are quickly processed by sponges and released back into the reef food web in hours as carbon and nitrogen rich detritus.

Natural Diet of Coral-Excavating Sponges Consists Mainly of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC)

The Role of Marine Sponges in Carbon and Nitrogen Cycles of COral Reefs and Nearshore Environments.


Nutrients - Phosphorus

One of the workds formost coral researchers wrote this in the early 90's in his book "Corals of Australia and the Indo-Pacific" (I can't help but wonder how things might have been different if more "gurus" had paid attention.)

"Imported nutrients are usually transported to reefs from rivers; but if there are no rivers, as with reefs remote from land masses, nutrients can only come from surface ocean circulation. Often this supply is poor, and thus the vast ocean expanses have been refered to as "nutrient deserts". The Indo-Pacific has many huge atolls in these supposed deserts which testify to the resilience of reefs, but the corals themselves may lack the lush appearance of those of more fertile waters. Many reefs have another major supply of inorganic nutrients as, under certain conditions, surface currents moving against a reef face may cause deep ocean water to be drawn to the surface. This "upwelled" water is often rich in phosphorus and other essential chemicals." J. E. N. Veron "Corals of Austrailia and the Indo-Pacific" pg 30 (Upwelling exposes corals to .3 mg/l)


And Charles Delbeek wrote this about nutrients in 2010:

"When I see the colors of some of these low nutrient tanks, I can't help but be reminded of bleached coral reefs. It should therefore not come as a surprise that feeding corals in such systems becomes a very important component in these systems. Though reefs are often catagorized as nutrient "deserts" the influx of nutrients in the form of particulates and plankton is quite high when the total volume of water passing over a reef is taken into consideration.

Our crystal-clear aquaria do not come close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs. And so when we create low-nutrient water conditions, we still have to deal with the rest of a much more complex puzzle. Much like those who run their aquarium water temperature close to the thermal maximums of corals walk a narrow tight rope, I can't help but think that low-nutrient aquariums may be headed down a similar path." Charles Delbeck, Coral Nov/Dec 2010, pg 127


Southampton' research, this is the reaserch done with coral maintained for as long as a decade in aquaria identfying a minimum threshold level of .03 mg/l to prevent corals from experiencing a phosphorus deficiency.

An Experimental Mesocosm for Longterm Studies of Reef Corals

Phosphate Deficiency:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching:

Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont:

Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates

More phosphorus stuff

Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach

High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata

Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts


Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Fig 4 from "Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts"
DIP DOP POP.jpg


Nutrients Nitrogen

Ammonium Uptake by Symbiotic and Aposymbiotic Reef Corals (Coral pull ammonia directly from the water to feed their zooxanthellae)

Amino acids a source of nitrogen for corals

Urea a source of nitrogen for corals

Diazotrpophs a source of nitrogen for corals

Context Dependant Effects of Nutrient Loading on the Coral-Algal Mutualism, Nitrates cause reduced calcification in corals

Fig. 3 from the above paper.
Context‐dependent effects of nutrient loading on the coral–algal mutualism(1).png


Other stuff

Aura-biomes are present in the water layer above coral reef benthic macro-organisms



Growth cannot be used as an indicator of health.
 
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You asked for it! :D But really it's any excess labile DOC that promotes microbial growth. A critical paper for Rohwer's DDam mtheory (that's been proven now with research by Haas) was this paper by Kline, et al (2006) even the DOC from a coral when concentrated and reapplied to the same coral caused problems. Additinally, we need to remember or pay attention to not only species specific but genotype specific as well as adapted responses of a given colony, we can't assume the response of one colony in a system will apply even to a clone colony in the same system but in a different location. We also cannot use either growth or coloration as indicators of corals health.

FWIW, since Haas (see below refferences) has shown excess microbial growth can create anoxic conditions on the surface of corals and type of tissue loss when labile DOC. aka carbon dosing, is being used can be caused by the labile DOC


I haven't had the time to look through all the posts son there may be some redundancy but I'll start off with Salem Clemens article on Reefbuilders. While I've been saying much the same for years his article is a pretty good presentation of the problem we have.

He does leave out a couple problems though. One is the problem of ozone and refractory DOC and the other is the duality of sponges. Sponges can process algae DOC distinctly different from coral DOC. This can include sponges in a potential feedback loop that results in coral decline. There is definitely issues using ozone with refractory DOC in a system. As it will break down the refractory DOC in a system and make it available for microbial growth, a system can see much the same issues as a system where labile DOC is used allowing heterotrophic bacteria to feed on the refractory DOC and creating the anoxic conditions and pathogenic shifts associated with their uncontrolled growth.

Water changes still are the best way to remove refractory DOC, keep it from building up in a system and remove in equal protions hydrophillic and hydrophobic polutants.


Rohwer's book and select videos

"Coral Reefs in the Microbial Seas " This video compliments Rohwer's book of the same title. Used copies are available on line and it may be free to read on Internet Archive. both deal with the conflicting roles of the different types of DOC (carbon dosing) in reef ecosystems and how it can alter coral microbiomes. While there is overlap bewteen his book and the video both have information not covered by the other and together give a broader view of the complex relationships found in reef ecosystems and are an excellent starting point to understand the conflicting roles of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC, aka "carbon dosing") in reef ecosystems.


Changing Seas - Mysterious Microbes


Microbial view of Coral Decline


Nitrogen cycling in hte coral holobiont


BActeria and Sponges


Maintenance of Coral Reef Health (refferences at the end)


Optical Feedback Loop in Colorful Coral Bleaching


DNA Sequencing and the Reef Tank Microbiome


Richard Ross What's up with phosphate"


DOC stuff

For refference when talking about DOC; While large portion of compunds that make up DOC are still undiferentiated DOC can be roughly divided into "labile" "semirefractory" and "refreactory". The deep oceans are "sinks" for refractory DOC and may have only a few percent of labile DOC. Reef systems in contrast will comprise of about 1/3 labile DOC, a small portion of semi-refractory and about 2/3rds refractory. Here's a short terms of terms also as there's some different terms used that are almost identical:

DOC - Dissolved Organic Carbon, really small stuff
DOM - Dissolved Organic Matter, some might consider this term more appropraite to DOC as there's a lot still undiferentiated
POC - Particulate Organic Carbon, stuff to large to be DOC
TOC - Total Organic Carbon = DOC + POC In reef systems DOC accounts for about 90% and POC about 10%


Indirect effects of algae on coral: algae‐mediated, microbe‐induced coral mortality

Influence of coral and algal exudates on microbially mediated reef metabolism.
Coral DOC improves oxygen (autotrophy), algae DOC reduces oxygen (heterotrophy).

Role of elevated organic carbon levels and microbial activity in coral mortality

Effects of Coral Reef Benthic Primary Producers on Dissolved Organic Carbon and Microbial Activity
Algae releases significantly more DOC into the water than coral.

Pathologies and mortality rates caused by organic carbon and nutrient stressors in three Caribbean coral species.
DOC caused coral death but not high nitrates, phosphates or ammonium.

Visualization of oxygen distribution patterns caused by coral and algae

Biological oxygen demand optode analysis of coral reef-associated microbial communities exposed to algal exudates
Exposure to exudates derived from turf algae stimulated higher oxygen drawdown by the coral-associated bacteria.

Microbial ecology: Algae feed a shift on coral reefs

Coral and macroalgal exudates vary in neutral sugar composition and differentially enrich reef bacterioplankton lineages.

Sugar enrichment provides evidence for a role of nitrogen fixation in coral bleaching

Elevated ammonium delays the impairment of the coral-dinoflagellate symbiosis during labile carbon pollution
(here's an argument for maintaining heavy fish loads if you're carbon dosing)

Excess labile carbon promotes the expression of virulence factors in coral reef bacterioplankton

Unseen players shape benthic competition on coral reefs.

Allelochemicals Produced by Brown Macroalgae of the Lobophora Genus Are Active against Coral Larvae and Associated Bacteria, Supporting Pathogenic Shifts to Vibrio Dominance.

Macroalgae decrease growth and alter microbial community structure of the reef-building coral, Porites astreoides.

Macroalgal extracts induce bacterial assemblage shifts and sublethal tissue stress in Caribbean corals.

Biophysical and physiological processes causing oxygen loss from coral reefs.

Global microbialization of coral reefs
DDAM Proven

Coral Reef Microorganisms in a Changing Climate, Fig 3

Ecosystem Microbiology of Coral Reefs: Linking Genomic, Metabolomic, and Biogeochemical Dynamics from Animal Symbioses to Reefscape Processes

Ken Feldman's papers
Back in 2008 and 2009 Ken Feldman, a researcher at Penn State, conducted some experiments and posted a series of articles on Advanced Aquarist introducing aquarists to the some of the research on DOC and publishing his research on TOC and bacteria in aquaria.

Total Organic Carbon Pt 1

Total Organic Carbon Pt 2

Protein Skimmer Performance, Pt 1

Protein Skimmer Performance, Pt 2

Elemental Analysis of Skimmate

Bacterial Counts in Reef Aquarium Water


Sponge stuff

And here I gotta give a shout out to Steve Tyree, who back in the 90's was championing the use of cryptic sponges and cryptic zones, It's really too bad more "gurus" didn't pay attention to what he was trying to point out about sponges him instead of touting inorganic phosphorus as a major problem.

Element cycling on tropical coral reefs.
This is Jasper de Geoij's ground breaking research on reef sponge finding some species process labile DOC 1000X faster than bacterioplankton. (The introduction is in Dutch but the content is in English.)

Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Differential recycling of coral and algal dissolved organic matter via the sponge loop.
Sponges treat DOC from algae differently than DOC from corals

A Vicious Circle? Altered Carbon and Nutrient Cycling May Explain the Low Resilience of Caribbean Coral Reefs

Surviving in a Marine Desert The Sponge Loop Retains Resources Within Coral Reefs
Dissolved organic carbon and nitrogen are quickly processed by sponges and released back into the reef food web in hours as carbon and nitrogen rich detritus.

Natural Diet of Coral-Excavating Sponges Consists Mainly of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC)

The Role of Marine Sponges in Carbon and Nitrogen Cycles of COral Reefs and Nearshore Environments.


Nutrients - Phosphorus

One of the workds formost coral researchers wrote this in the early 90's in his book "Corals of Australia and the Indo-Pacific" (I can't help but wonder how things might have been different if more "gurus" had paid attention.)

"Imported nutrients are usually transported to reefs from rivers; but if there are no rivers, as with reefs remote from land masses, nutrients can only come from surface ocean circulation. Often this supply is poor, and thus the vast ocean expanses have been refered to as "nutrient deserts". The Indo-Pacific has many huge atolls in these supposed deserts which testify to the resilience of reefs, but the corals themselves may lack the lush appearance of those of more fertile waters. Many reefs have another major supply of inorganic nutrients as, under certain conditions, surface currents moving against a reef face may cause deep ocean water to be drawn to the surface. This "upwelled" water is often rich in phosphorus and other essential chemicals." J. E. N. Veron "Corals of Austrailia and the Indo-Pacific" pg 30 (Upwelling exposes corals to .3 mg/l)


And Charles Delbeek wrote this about nutrients in 2010:

"When I see the colors of some of these low nutrient tanks, I can't help but be reminded of bleached coral reefs. It should therefore not come as a surprise that feeding corals in such systems becomes a very important component in these systems. Though reefs are often catagorized as nutrient "deserts" the influx of nutrients in the form of particulates and plankton is quite high when the total volume of water passing over a reef is taken into consideration.

Our crystal-clear aquaria do not come close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs. And so when we create low-nutrient water conditions, we still have to deal with the rest of a much more complex puzzle. Much like those who run their aquarium water temperature close to the thermal maximums of corals walk a narrow tight rope, I can't help but think that low-nutrient aquariums may be headed down a similar path." Charles Delbeck, Coral Nov/Dec 2010, pg 127


Southampton' research, this is the reaserch done with coral maintained for as long as a decade in aquaria identfying a minimum threshold level of .03 mg/l to prevent corals from experiencing a phosphorus deficiency.

An Experimental Mesocosm for Longterm Studies of Reef Corals

Phosphate Deficiency:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching:

Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont:

Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates

More phosphorus stuff

Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach

High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata

Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts


Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Fig 4 from "Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts"
DIP DOP POP.jpg


Nutrients Nitrogen

Ammonium Uptake by Symbiotic and Aposymbiotic Reef Corals (Coral pull ammonia directly from the water to feed their zooxanthellae)

Amino acids a source of nitrogen for corals

Urea a source of nitrogen for corals

Diazotrpophs a source of nitrogen for corals

Context Dependant Effects of Nutrient Loading on the Coral-Algal Mutualism, Nitrates cause reduced calcification in corals

Fig. 3 from the above paper.
Context‐dependent effects of nutrient loading on the coral–algal mutualism(1).png


Other stuff

Aura-biomes are present in the water layer above coral reef benthic macro-organisms



Growth cannot be used as an indicator of health.

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You asked for it! :D But really it's any excess labile DOC that promotes microbial growth. A critical paper for Rohwer's DDam mtheory (that's been proven now with research by Haas) was this paper by Kline, et al (2006) even the DOC from a coral when concentrated and reapplied to the same coral caused problems. Additinally, we need to remember or pay attention to not only species specific but genotype specific as well as adapted responses of a given colony, we can't assume the response of one colony in a system will apply even to a clone colony in the same system but in a different location. We also cannot use either growth or coloration as indicators of corals health.

FWIW, since Haas (see below refferences) has shown excess microbial growth can create anoxic conditions on the surface of corals and type of tissue loss when labile DOC. aka carbon dosing, is being used can be caused by the labile DOC


I haven't had the time to look through all the posts son there may be some redundancy but I'll start off with Salem Clemens article on Reefbuilders. While I've been saying much the same for years his article is a pretty good presentation of the problem we have.

He does leave out a couple problems though. One is the problem of ozone and refractory DOC and the other is the duality of sponges. Sponges can process algae DOC distinctly different from coral DOC. This can include sponges in a potential feedback loop that results in coral decline. There is definitely issues using ozone with refractory DOC in a system. As it will break down the refractory DOC in a system and make it available for microbial growth, a system can see much the same issues as a system where labile DOC is used allowing heterotrophic bacteria to feed on the refractory DOC and creating the anoxic conditions and pathogenic shifts associated with their uncontrolled growth.

Water changes still are the best way to remove refractory DOC, keep it from building up in a system and remove in equal protions hydrophillic and hydrophobic polutants.


Rohwer's book and select videos

"Coral Reefs in the Microbial Seas " This video compliments Rohwer's book of the same title. Used copies are available on line and it may be free to read on Internet Archive. both deal with the conflicting roles of the different types of DOC (carbon dosing) in reef ecosystems and how it can alter coral microbiomes. While there is overlap bewteen his book and the video both have information not covered by the other and together give a broader view of the complex relationships found in reef ecosystems and are an excellent starting point to understand the conflicting roles of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC, aka "carbon dosing") in reef ecosystems.


Changing Seas - Mysterious Microbes


Microbial view of Coral Decline


Nitrogen cycling in hte coral holobiont


BActeria and Sponges


Maintenance of Coral Reef Health (refferences at the end)


Optical Feedback Loop in Colorful Coral Bleaching


DNA Sequencing and the Reef Tank Microbiome


Richard Ross What's up with phosphate"


DOC stuff

For refference when talking about DOC; While large portion of compunds that make up DOC are still undiferentiated DOC can be roughly divided into "labile" "semirefractory" and "refreactory". The deep oceans are "sinks" for refractory DOC and may have only a few percent of labile DOC. Reef systems in contrast will comprise of about 1/3 labile DOC, a small portion of semi-refractory and about 2/3rds refractory. Here's a short terms of terms also as there's some different terms used that are almost identical:

DOC - Dissolved Organic Carbon, really small stuff
DOM - Dissolved Organic Matter, some might consider this term more appropraite to DOC as there's a lot still undiferentiated
POC - Particulate Organic Carbon, stuff to large to be DOC
TOC - Total Organic Carbon = DOC + POC In reef systems DOC accounts for about 90% and POC about 10%


Indirect effects of algae on coral: algae‐mediated, microbe‐induced coral mortality

Influence of coral and algal exudates on microbially mediated reef metabolism.
Coral DOC improves oxygen (autotrophy), algae DOC reduces oxygen (heterotrophy).

Role of elevated organic carbon levels and microbial activity in coral mortality

Effects of Coral Reef Benthic Primary Producers on Dissolved Organic Carbon and Microbial Activity
Algae releases significantly more DOC into the water than coral.

Pathologies and mortality rates caused by organic carbon and nutrient stressors in three Caribbean coral species.
DOC caused coral death but not high nitrates, phosphates or ammonium.

Visualization of oxygen distribution patterns caused by coral and algae

Biological oxygen demand optode analysis of coral reef-associated microbial communities exposed to algal exudates
Exposure to exudates derived from turf algae stimulated higher oxygen drawdown by the coral-associated bacteria.

Microbial ecology: Algae feed a shift on coral reefs

Coral and macroalgal exudates vary in neutral sugar composition and differentially enrich reef bacterioplankton lineages.

Sugar enrichment provides evidence for a role of nitrogen fixation in coral bleaching

Elevated ammonium delays the impairment of the coral-dinoflagellate symbiosis during labile carbon pollution
(here's an argument for maintaining heavy fish loads if you're carbon dosing)

Excess labile carbon promotes the expression of virulence factors in coral reef bacterioplankton

Unseen players shape benthic competition on coral reefs.

Allelochemicals Produced by Brown Macroalgae of the Lobophora Genus Are Active against Coral Larvae and Associated Bacteria, Supporting Pathogenic Shifts to Vibrio Dominance.

Macroalgae decrease growth and alter microbial community structure of the reef-building coral, Porites astreoides.

Macroalgal extracts induce bacterial assemblage shifts and sublethal tissue stress in Caribbean corals.

Biophysical and physiological processes causing oxygen loss from coral reefs.

Global microbialization of coral reefs
DDAM Proven

Coral Reef Microorganisms in a Changing Climate, Fig 3

Ecosystem Microbiology of Coral Reefs: Linking Genomic, Metabolomic, and Biogeochemical Dynamics from Animal Symbioses to Reefscape Processes

Ken Feldman's papers
Back in 2008 and 2009 Ken Feldman, a researcher at Penn State, conducted some experiments and posted a series of articles on Advanced Aquarist introducing aquarists to the some of the research on DOC and publishing his research on TOC and bacteria in aquaria.

Total Organic Carbon Pt 1

Total Organic Carbon Pt 2

Protein Skimmer Performance, Pt 1

Protein Skimmer Performance, Pt 2

Elemental Analysis of Skimmate

Bacterial Counts in Reef Aquarium Water


Sponge stuff

And here I gotta give a shout out to Steve Tyree, who back in the 90's was championing the use of cryptic sponges and cryptic zones, It's really too bad more "gurus" didn't pay attention to what he was trying to point out about sponges him instead of touting inorganic phosphorus as a major problem.

Element cycling on tropical coral reefs.
This is Jasper de Geoij's ground breaking research on reef sponge finding some species process labile DOC 1000X faster than bacterioplankton. (The introduction is in Dutch but the content is in English.)

Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Differential recycling of coral and algal dissolved organic matter via the sponge loop.
Sponges treat DOC from algae differently than DOC from corals

A Vicious Circle? Altered Carbon and Nutrient Cycling May Explain the Low Resilience of Caribbean Coral Reefs

Surviving in a Marine Desert The Sponge Loop Retains Resources Within Coral Reefs
Dissolved organic carbon and nitrogen are quickly processed by sponges and released back into the reef food web in hours as carbon and nitrogen rich detritus.

Natural Diet of Coral-Excavating Sponges Consists Mainly of Dissolved Organic Carbon (DOC)

The Role of Marine Sponges in Carbon and Nitrogen Cycles of COral Reefs and Nearshore Environments.


Nutrients - Phosphorus

One of the workds formost coral researchers wrote this in the early 90's in his book "Corals of Australia and the Indo-Pacific" (I can't help but wonder how things might have been different if more "gurus" had paid attention.)

"Imported nutrients are usually transported to reefs from rivers; but if there are no rivers, as with reefs remote from land masses, nutrients can only come from surface ocean circulation. Often this supply is poor, and thus the vast ocean expanses have been refered to as "nutrient deserts". The Indo-Pacific has many huge atolls in these supposed deserts which testify to the resilience of reefs, but the corals themselves may lack the lush appearance of those of more fertile waters. Many reefs have another major supply of inorganic nutrients as, under certain conditions, surface currents moving against a reef face may cause deep ocean water to be drawn to the surface. This "upwelled" water is often rich in phosphorus and other essential chemicals." J. E. N. Veron "Corals of Austrailia and the Indo-Pacific" pg 30 (Upwelling exposes corals to .3 mg/l)


And Charles Delbeek wrote this about nutrients in 2010:

"When I see the colors of some of these low nutrient tanks, I can't help but be reminded of bleached coral reefs. It should therefore not come as a surprise that feeding corals in such systems becomes a very important component in these systems. Though reefs are often catagorized as nutrient "deserts" the influx of nutrients in the form of particulates and plankton is quite high when the total volume of water passing over a reef is taken into consideration.

Our crystal-clear aquaria do not come close to the nutrient loads that swirl around natural reefs. And so when we create low-nutrient water conditions, we still have to deal with the rest of a much more complex puzzle. Much like those who run their aquarium water temperature close to the thermal maximums of corals walk a narrow tight rope, I can't help but think that low-nutrient aquariums may be headed down a similar path." Charles Delbeck, Coral Nov/Dec 2010, pg 127


Southampton' research, this is the reaserch done with coral maintained for as long as a decade in aquaria identfying a minimum threshold level of .03 mg/l to prevent corals from experiencing a phosphorus deficiency.

An Experimental Mesocosm for Longterm Studies of Reef Corals

Phosphate Deficiency:
Nutrient enrichment can increase the susceptibility of reef corals to bleaching:

Ultrastructural Biomarkers in Symbiotic Algae Reflect the Availability of Dissolved Inorganic Nutrients and Particulate Food to the Reef Coral Holobiont:

Phosphate deficiency promotes coral bleaching and is reflected by the ultrastructure of symbiotic dinoflagellates

More phosphorus stuff

Effects of phosphate on growth and skeletal density in the scleractinian coral Acropora muricata: A controlled experimental approach

High phosphate uptake requirements of the scleractinian coral Stylophora pistillata

Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts


Sponge symbionts and the marine P cycle

Phosphorus sequestration in the form of polyphosphate by microbial symbionts in marine sponges

Fig 4 from "Phosphorus metabolism of reef organisms with algal symbionts"
DIP DOP POP.jpg


Nutrients Nitrogen

Ammonium Uptake by Symbiotic and Aposymbiotic Reef Corals (Coral pull ammonia directly from the water to feed their zooxanthellae)

Amino acids a source of nitrogen for corals

Urea a source of nitrogen for corals

Diazotrpophs a source of nitrogen for corals

Context Dependant Effects of Nutrient Loading on the Coral-Algal Mutualism, Nitrates cause reduced calcification in corals

Fig. 3 from the above paper.
Context‐dependent effects of nutrient loading on the coral–algal mutualism(1).png


Other stuff

Aura-biomes are present in the water layer above coral reef benthic macro-organisms



Growth cannot be used as an indicator of health.

You seen this vid? It's basically the info that put me off algae scrubbers a long time ago that has resurfaced;

 

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