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[kajirae]

Hello everyone!


I bought 2 royal grammas, they looked perfectly fine, i did acclimation with the dripping method, but don’t have a WT, so i put the fish in my tank. They swam a bit and hid in 2 different corners. All this happened in the evening and in the morning the smaller one was dead and the other one looked lethargic and full of white spots. I thought it is ick so i took it out and placed it in a bucket with 1.025 salnity and an aeration stone with an air pump and a cup for him to hide in. The white spots disappeared and he is hiding in the cup.
I’m thinking of observing him for a few days and see if he eats an looks better and then give him a treatment bath eith copper, though i know it is quite stressful for him. If it is ick, i hope the dt didn’t get infected since we’re talking about 7hrs and every other fish looks super healthy.
Thoughts?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Hello everyone!


I bought 2 royal grammas, they looked perfectly fine, i did acclimation with the dripping method, but don’t have a WT, so i put the fish in my tank. They swam a bit and hid in 2 different corners. All this happened in the evening and in the morning the smaller one was dead and the other one looked lethargic and full of white spots. I thought it is ick so i took it out and placed it in a bucket with 1.025 salnity and an aeration stone with an air pump and a cup for him to hide in. The white spots disappeared and he is hiding in the cup.
I’m thinking of observing him for a few days and see if he eats an looks better and then give him a treatment bath eith copper, though i know it is quite stressful for him. If it is ick, i hope the dt didn’t get infected since we’re talking about 7hrs and every other fish looks super healthy.
Thoughts?

How did you acclimate them and how long? You skip a necessary step- Quarantine and the spots are likely ich which you cannot resolve with observation and hard to see in the pic but if ich, you will need to treat fish in a separate tank using coppersafe at 2.25 as they dont fare well with hyposalinity.

 

[kajirae]

I did the dropping method for like 40mins, until the water volume doubled. I have a 30g tank, until i upgrade to a 75g i don’t have any qt. I’ll go and buy coppersafe today, but i’m not that sure on what to do after

 

[kajirae]

How did you acclimate them and how long? You skip a necessary step- Quarantine and the spots are likely ich which you cannot resolve with observation and hard to see in the pic but if ich, you will need to treat fish in a separate tank using coppersafe at 2.25 as they dont fare well with hyposalinity.

Is it really ich though? Could it be something else? From my freshwater experience, the white spots don’t go away in a matter of hours

 

[vetteguy53081]

I did the dropping method for like 40mins, until the water volume doubled. I have a 30g tank, until i upgrade to a 75g i don’t have any qt. I’ll go and buy coppersafe today, but i’m not that sure on what to do after

Did you match salinity with that of intended tank?
Yes- this is no doubt ich which this fish is susceptible to

 

[kajirae]

Did you match salinity with that of intended tank?
Yes- this is no doubt ich which this fish is susceptible to

Aye, same salinity of 35ppm

 

[kajirae]

Did you match salinity with that of intended tank?
Yes- this is no doubt ich which this fish is susceptible to

Could you help me regarding treatment? Hypo or copper bath?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Could you help me regarding treatment? Hypo or copper bath?

For this fish- copper safe

 

[kajirae]

What concentration and how to do the actual treatment? Is a bath enough or i should keep him in qt for a longer time?

 

[kajirae]

For this fish- copper safe

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[Jay Hemdal]

Is it really ich though? Could it be something else? From my freshwater experience, the white spots don’t go away in a matter of hours

Ich spots, the trophont stage, when the disease first starts are all in sync and drop off at around the same time. This makes the disease to have gone away, but after the trophonts turn into tomonts, those in turn release tomites that then reinfect the fish. Eventually, the spots get out of sync and the fish gets more and more spots and eventually dies.

Mixing royal gramma can be a problem, they often fight.

I don’t think that gramma is going to be stable in that small container for more than a day, even with good aeration.

 

[kajirae]

I moved it into a 10liter bucket, i don’t have a qt unfortunately. After reading about the stages of

Ich spots, the trophont stage, when the disease first starts are all in sync and drop off at around the same time. This makes the disease to have gone away, but after the trophonts turn into tomonts, those in turn release tomites that then reinfect the fish. Eventually, the spots get out of sync and the fish gets more and more spots and eventually dies.

Mixing royal gramma can be a problem, they often fight.

I don’t think that gramma is going to be stable in that small container for more than a day, even with good aeration.

I moved it into a 10liter bucket, i don’t have a qt unfortunately. After reading about the stages of the parasyte, i was thinking that i can gove him a copper bath, change the water and container and he should get healthy, but seems too easy to be true

 

[vetteguy53081]

I moved it into a 10liter bucket, i don’t have a qt unfortunately. After reading about the stages of

I moved it into a 10liter bucket, i don’t have a qt unfortunately. After reading about the stages of the parasyte, i was thinking that i can gove him a copper bath, change the water and container and he should get healthy, but seems too easy to be true

This will be a challenge even in a 10 ltr container. A quarantine tank can be a used tank, rubbermaid type tub or starter kit from a pet store.

 

[kajirae]

This will be a challenge even in a 10 ltr container. A quarantine tank can be a used tank, rubbermaid type tub or starter kit from a pet store.

I know, but i have none, i swapped from freshwater tanks to saltwater a few months ago and i only have my dt, my new aquarium will arrive in like 3 months from now

 

[vetteguy53081]

I know, but i have none, i swapped from freshwater tanks to saltwater a few months ago and i only have my dt, my new aquarium will arrive in like 3 months from now

Another option is a cooler/thermos of at least 10 gallon size

 

[kajirae]

Another option is a cooler/thermos of at least 10 gallon size

I will look into that. How should i treat the fish? Right now he looks healthy, with no white dots whatsoever and swimming just fine in the container he is in right now

 

[vetteguy53081]

I will look into that. How should i treat the fish? Right now he looks healthy, with no white dots whatsoever and swimming just fine in the container he is in right now

As described and true, these dots do not go away and often a certain stage called tromonts will fall off and reproduce and return in numbers. Treat with copper safe or copper power at minimum level 2.0 and soon as this fish next round will be infested with protozoans.

 

[kajirae]

As described and true, these dots do not go away and often a certain stage called tromonts will fall off and reproduce and return in numbers. Treat with copper safe or copper power at minimum level 2.0 and soon as this fish next round will be infested with protozoans.

I don’t understand, he will get infected with protozoans after the copper bath?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I don’t understand, he will get infected with protozoans after the copper bath?

Ok- didnt realize you are now under treatment. Continue for 30 full days

 

[kajirae]

Ok- didnt realize you are now under treatment. Continue for 30 full days

I’m not treating him right now, i just placed him in a quarantine container and i want to go buy some medicine after i get home from work and only after that start treating him. But right now my girlfriend sent me some photos of him and looks better, no longer has any white dots and is swimming around (albeit still hiding)