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Understood and agreed.Looking for the perspective of the "professional". Maybe its something that makes sense
Ok, that makes sense.. so what is your take on all this?Understood and agreed.
I have been an environmental scientist for almost 20 years. In my professional opinion, we know a lot less than many people choose to pretend.
Who has the authority or permission to even touch a Atlantic hard coral? and if so, how the heck do you even obtain permission?Thats weird as we were in keys Tuesday about 8 miles out and saw very little bleaching except for 3 large rock structures and from the looks of coral, they were bleached but not dead and if water temps cool, may be able to bounce back. Team research group in Key Largo have been pulling some of the bleached specimens to bring back to their lab to see if they can promote recovery according to one of the students on our catamaran.
NWO just did a test run for this with covidWell, I’m not a scientist or higher educated person, but I think a lot of it comes down to too many people. Sad to say, short of a large human extinction event, I don’t think it will turn around.
Europe went green 20 years ago. How they looking over there? Freezing in the winter, frying in the summer and having to work until 105 before retirement...lolWell, let's not sing the praises of renewables and EVs without also pointing out the shortfalls, namely the massive amount of hazardous and non-recyclable waste in the form of wind blades, discarded solar panels and the incredible environmental destruction that nickel, cobalt and lithium mining are wreaking primarily in the third world.
Who has the authority or permission to even touch a Atlantic hard coral? and if so, how the heck do you even obtain permission?
…on a related note, I’ve pm’d a few vendors & individuals around here in this vein and got nothing but crickets…
@vetteguy53081 ANY chance the avg hobbyist can help save these corals?
maybe a collective crowd sourced captive bread initiative?
This group is state certified and permitted to collect and plant as they since 2019 were adding small colonies for culturing to re-establish coral and then this hit.Who has the authority or permission to even touch a Atlantic hard coral? and if so, how the heck do you even obtain permission?
…on a related note, I’ve pm’d a few vendors & individuals around here in this vein and got nothing but crickets…
@vetteguy53081 ANY chance the avg hobbyist can help save these corals?
maybe a collective crowd sourced captive bread initiative?
I study climate, and I would totally disagree about "zero debate". There is zero debate amongst climate scientist who agree with each other. Let's do science!
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@trapphd
I don't need scientific proof, just talk some common sense that "us" Neanderthals can understand...
There is a lot of debate about the specifics, like effects, rapidity, timing, reversibility and so forth. But there is no legitimate debate about the central tenets.
1.) The Earth is warming due to increased levels of CO2
2.) The cause of the increase is human activity
Exactly. Also when people say it happened before, they forget it took thousands of years, if not millions. It's pretty easy to see on charts it started this time during the industrial age.
And what is it, 99.9999% of all scientists agree here it is human made.
The more interesting part is why some refuse to believe it or change course. And yes, personally I do believe we can turn it around. Might as well go all the way while we are at it and not just look at co2 but polution in general and find solutions to each and every one of them. I mean, why not.
And some countries do try to find solutions a lot more effectively and focussed than others. We will need the majority of them for it to work.
There is very clear isotopic evidence that :
The additional carbon is biogenic (non-mantle).
The carbon being added is from coal, oil and natural gas.
Here is a good, basic explanation (From Climate.gov) :
"Carbon-14 (or 14C) is also known as radiocarbon, because it is the only carbon isotope that is radioactive. It is perhaps most famous for its use in radiocarbon dating of archeological artifacts ranging from mummies to cave drawings, and it plays a crucial role in studying fossil fuel carbon dioxide emissions as well.
Fossil fuels are, well, fossils, and are millions of years old. Because of this, all of the radiocarbon initially present has decayed away, leaving no 14C in this ancient organic matter. All other atmospheric carbon dioxide comes from young sources–namely land-use changes (for example, cutting down a forest in order to create a farm) and exchange with the ocean and terrestrial biosphere. This makes 14C an ideal tracer of carbon dioxide coming from the combustion of fossil fuels. Scientists can use 14C measurements to determine how much 14CO2 has been diluted with 14C-free CO2 in air samples, and from this can calculate what proportion of the carbon dioxide in the sample comes from fossil fuels."
That’s a great explanation and totally makes sense… my only counter is there are several examples of species only existing in domestication but not in the wild…unfortunately seems the big cats and a few other large mammals are headed in that direction ….The biosecurity controls necessary to safely aquaculture Florida’s corals and reintroduce them to the wild wouldn’t be practical or even possible in hobbyist aquariums. Implications of inadvertently spreading stony coral tissue loss disease among the vulnerable remaining wild colonies would make it too big of a risk. Also there are population genetic considerations that are considerable and would have to be carefully managed.
Also, the immense scale of even just the Florida reef tract means that even a huge hobbyist initiative would have virtually zero real world impact unfortunately. Florida’s reefs alone are the equivalent of 1.6 billion 200 gallon aquariums. If every reef hobbyist in the US bought a 200 gallon aquarium and packed it with frags of A. palmata or A. cervicornis, or Diploria, grew them out, and replanted in the wild, it would represent an area of less than 0.02% of reef tract. And those corals, if not selectively bred to be resistant to SCTLD or inoculated with heat-stress tolerant symbiodinium clades would face the same challenging world and grim future their wild counterparts do.