Need help canceling Red Sea Aquarium order

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Post this thread on the lfs media page, or email it to them, so they can see how honesty works for buyers. What they tried to secret: we know / u discovered

This is approx the 8th *instant replacement fail* posted to the board. Meaning the new tank/ instantly unusable
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I sure hope you can cancel. The amount should give you legal reason to be able to cancel. Call Mastercared and send a whole bunch of emails to red sea, try to get in contact, then tell that LFS you are serious.
I got a Planet Aquarium after my RS problem. No way I would get a Waterbox or RS ever. Really nervous when you see failures of these brands.
If your going to say WB is as bad as RS some examples would be nice. Have you seen the one piece euro brace WB uses on the larger tanks? To my knowledge RS does not use a euro brace but they do use crappy silicone.
My 330.7 has a huge single piece 1/2" euro brace
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This is an example of RS and the silicone failing on my 170 and it is not scraper damage.
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PS: Nothing wrong with rimmed tanks except the shading from the cross braces. The water line is easily hidden on rimless tanks tho.

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I don’t like rimless but I think there is a nice middle ground when you go with a fully euro braced tank.

I like my rimmed tank but the centre brace shadow is a pain for sure.
 
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I spoke with the store manager twice. I placed the order on a Friday night and on Monday he said Red Sea will not cancel. Spoke with him again that Wednesday about maybe upgrading to a Red Sea that is eurobraced. He said Red Sea will not do that and the tank was in transit. So I guess I am screwed. There wasn’t much available in 100 gallon 4 foot peninsulas out there. The LFS is delivering and installing the aquarium. I will keep an eye on the seams and if I see any failure I will ask for a replacement tank. At that time if a new tank did arrive, I might just sell it new in box to someone else. I will post back in here so I can keep everyone informed on how a G2+ 500 is holding up. I am sure in 5 years or less I will be back to a nano reef anyways. Thank you for all your help. I can’t stress about this anymore.
 

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Still send the manager this thread, so he can see this

Stop selling red sea tanks to your customers unless you're on call with a mop 24x7

You knew of the problem before this thread was built. Don't continue it
 

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OP- Obviously you have come up with a solution that works for you, so I'll leave it be.

Anyone else who comes along and is going through something similar or just wants to learn- I would dispute with CC. As anyone who has worked for a LFS will tell you, it would be a pretty Herculean task for a crated tank ship out in ~24-36 hours over the weekend from a warehouse ;)

A LFS is a relationship, when you get claims like this that don't pass the sniff test, check with the community or members that do not have a financial incentive:)
 

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I spoke with the store manager twice. I placed the order on a Friday night and on Monday he said Red Sea will not cancel. Spoke with him again that Wednesday about maybe upgrading to a Red Sea that is eurobraced. He said Red Sea will not do that and the tank was in transit. So I guess I am screwed. There wasn’t much available in 100 gallon 4 foot peninsulas out there. The LFS is delivering and installing the aquarium. I will keep an eye on the seams and if I see any failure I will ask for a replacement tank. At that time if a new tank did arrive, I might just sell it new in box to someone else. I will post back in here so I can keep everyone informed on how a G2+ 500 is holding up. I am sure in 5 years or less I will be back to a nano reef anyways. Thank you for all your help. I can’t stress about this anymore.
I agree that it sounds like you made up your mind.

You're in the perfect position to follow through, you don't need a lawyer, you don't need to escalate this. Just be firm and let your LFS owner know that you've had second thoughts, be honest that you've been researching and what you discovered has made you change your mind.

Reselling it doesn't solve the fact that you're passing that problem onto yet another unsuspecting person.

I would encourage you to reconsider and don't put much stock in how the lfs owner is going to view you. You've already determined he doesn't care about you at all and just wants this sale to be final.
 

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Can some pls advise. I want to cancel an order placed with my LFS in person last Friday at 5 PM. I was not aware if all the tank failures. I ordered a Red Sea G2 500 and paid via Mastercard. I was advised by the salesman that Waterbox aquariums bust seams to go Red Sea. When I called Sunday to cancel the sales girl said the tank hasn’t shipped without me signing a release form and to speak with the manager who wasn't there. Monday the manager called and said I couldn’t cancel that there was only a one percent chance Red Sea would cancel or change an order. Today I read that Red Sea ships for Texans on Fridays so the tank hasn’t even shipped yet. Is there anything I can do. I know I should have researched before the purchase. Dummy me!
The store you bought it for is responsible for the cancellation - you did not buy directly from RedSea. Whether RedSea cancels or not - your only claim (that I can see) is with your LFS. That said - my guess is you signed some paperwork - when you ordered the tank? Your lack of due diligence may not be enough to cancel the order - and I wouldn't use that as the reason you want to cancel. The worst case scenario - (Hopefully) would be that you are responsible for shipping costs (which is probably about 1000 for the tank back and forth for redsea - unless you have a different contract with your LFS. I would not think you would win a dispute with your credit card company - because - the company will merely say 'he is getting a new tank, he should have researched before buying the tank. And Redsea will likely claim that there is no proof that there is a risk. Refusing delivery for the most part only works if the tank is not as described. However, are you having the tank delivered to your house, or to the LFS.
 

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It's a shame that RS tanks have so many failures, the glass they use is so nicely polished and the silicone job is clean.

Sending the LFS owner a link to this thread is useless without saying what store were talking about. I'm almost certain somewhere on your invoice are the words "no returns or refunds on special order items", that's boiler plate stuff that's on everything.

Despite what everyone says regarding disputing it with your CC company, you can't just order big ticket items and call Visa and say you changed your mind and you want the charges reversed. If it was an online purchase for a hundred bucks or something well that's different but a $5000 purchase you made in person, and agreed to the terms of the sale with a signature, you are likely on the hook to accept the charges. I'm not an attorney but I do understand how business is conducted. So congratulations, you own a new RS tank.

Now that I've got the uncomfortable part of my text out of the way...

Regardless of what you read online about RS tanks, I'm sure they sell many thousands that never have a problem (Booooo!). So with that said, there are a few things you can do to reduce the likelihood you'll have water on your floor in X number of days, months, years, maybe never. I'm not familiar with RS tanks, but if the bottom seam doesn't have a secondary backup piece of glass along the perimeter to make the seam literally twice as big, you can easily add one. The same goes for the vertical edges, a triangle shaped strip of glass can be siliconed in to effectively make the seam much bigger and resist damage from an algae scraper.

You can also ditch the stand that is supplied and have a steel stand fabricated that offers more support to the tank bottom and vertical panels, however if your tank was manufactured just in the last month or so I'm sure it has the latest updates to it's components. I have an Aqua Japan rimless tank on a MDF based stand that is assembled with cam locks, and although it most certainly could be improved upon, my tank has sat on top of it for 2 1/2 years with no issues. So...

I was at one of Phoenix's nicest LFS yesterday , Kona Reef, and while waiting in line to pay I was admiring several RS tanks for sale, both of them had "armored" bottom and vertical seams, as well as a eurobrace. I would not hesitate to place that in my living room.

And I am not affilated with Kona or RS and have no financial incentive one way or the other with any aquarium manufacturer. I'm not a fool and I'm not stupid, I'm just an ordinary reefer like everyone else. These are just my view points that won't likely change anyone's mind. The OP has done nothing wrong in this instance, but it appears that the internet has influenced his purchase a bit and has some buyer's remorse. It's not the end of the world it happens to everyone from time to time. Keep us posted on your aquarium journey. Sorry for the novel I'm a little long winded at times.

And if Sisterlimonpot was wondering, I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night, that was a few weeks ago. :cool:
 
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Good luck, I think I would have spoken to an attorney because of the large amount. I just could not be comfortable with a RS. Any bubbles in the silicone and you better prepare. When we tore our RS apart to dispose of the silicone on the middle front panel was almost missing but it was the sides that the water was leaking into. We avoided a flood because we put clamps on. The sides and back had good silicone. I sure hope you have one of the good tanks.
 

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If your going to say WB is as bad as RS some examples would be nice. Have you seen the one piece euro brace WB uses on the larger tanks? To my knowledge RS does not use a euro brace but they do use crappy silicone.
My 330.7 has a huge single piece 1/2" euro brace
PXL_20240223_172324340.jpg


This is an example of RS and the silicone failing on my 170 and it is not scraper damage.
PXL_20250122_232313890.jpg


PS: Nothing wrong with rimmed tanks except the shading from the cross braces. The water line is easily hidden on rimless tanks tho.

PXL_20240306_164738525.jpg
I just could not bring myself to go rimless, but shadows are a pain. I can sleep well without thinking it will all go bad. WB seems to be much better than RS.
 

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It's a shame that RS tanks have so many failures, the glass they use is so nicely polished and the silicone job is clean.

Sending the LFS owner a link to this thread is useless without saying what store were talking about. I'm almost certain somewhere on your invoice are the words "no returns or refunds on special order items", that's boiler plate stuff that's on everything.

Despite what everyone says regarding disputing it with your CC company, you can't just order big ticket items and call Visa and say you changed your mind and you want the charges reversed. If it was an online purchase for a hundred bucks or something well that's different but a $5000 purchase you made in person, and agreed to the terms of the sale with a signature, you are likely on the hook to accept the charges. I'm not an attorney but I do understand how business is conducted. So congratulations, you own a new RS tank.

Now that I've got the uncomfortable part of my text out of the way...

Regardless of what you read online about RS tanks, I'm sure they sell many thousands that never have a problem (Booooo!). So with that said, there are a few things you can do to reduce the likelihood you'll have water on your floor in X number of days, months, years, maybe never. I'm not familiar with RS tanks, but if the bottom seam doesn't have a secondary backup piece of glass along the perimeter to make the seam literally twice as big, you can easily add one. The same goes for the vertical edges, a triangle shaped strip of glass can be siliconed in to effectively make the seam much bigger and resist damage from an algae scraper.

You can also ditch the stand that is supplied and have a steel stand fabricated that offers more support to the tank bottom and vertical panels, however if your tank was manufactured just in the last month or so I'm sure it has the latest updates to it's components. I have an Aqua Japan rimless tank on a MDF based stand that is assembled with cam locks, and although it most certainly could be improved upon, my tank has sat on top of it for 2 1/2 years with no issues. So...

I was at one of Phoenix's nicest LFS yesterday , Kona Reef, and while waiting in line to pay I was admiring several RS tanks for sale, both of them had "armored" bottom and vertical seams, as well as a eurobrace. I would not hesitate to place that in my living room.

And I am not affilated with Kona or RS and have no financial incentive one way or the other with any aquarium manufacturer. I'm not a fool and I'm not stupid, I'm just an ordinary reefer like everyone else. These are just my view points that won't likely change anyone's mind. The OP has done nothing wrong in this instance, but it appears that the internet has influenced his purchase a bit and has some buyer's remorse. It's not the end of the world it happens to everyone from time to time. Keep us posted on your aquarium journey. Sorry for the novel I'm a little long winded at times.

And if Sisterlimonpot was wondering, I did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night, that was a few weeks ago. :cool:
I had a RS failure it was not unbalanced or because of algae scrapper. The silicone on the front panel sides. When broken down it was the silicone lacking in the middle front panel.
Just unlucky that it was poorly constructed. Could not tell when empty. I do think more bracing would be good. Rimless is nice but the water marks show more and a lid if needed is another problem. If someone pays thousands of dollars, tries to cancel it does not sound reasonable that they cannot if it has not been delivered. Crazy, I would not do business with that LFS.
 

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Good luck, I think I would have spoken to an attorney because of the large amount.
Speak with an attorney? Why? What's an attorney going to do? Is he going to sue the LFS for not allowing a refund on a special order item? Is he going to sue RS? For what? The OP bought a brand new tank, it hasn't failed, there has been no law broken, there has been no monetary loss and no injury. You can't sue for buyer's remorse.
 

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I'm not familiar with RS tanks, but if the bottom seam doesn't have a secondary backup piece of glass along the perimeter to make the seam literally twice as big, you can easily add one. The same goes for the vertical edges, a triangle shaped strip of glass can be siliconed in to effectively make the seam much bigger and resist damage from an algae scraper.
If you do something like altering the tank I would make sure it does not void the warranty first. My guess is that it would.
 
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Much appreciate all the advice. We did research online with the credit card company and it appeared we couldn’t just cancel a paid for ordered item. The tank does have armored seals and an added vertical aluminum brace in front of the sump, left of the separate area for electrical. Today we saw a larger RS tank. It had an aluminum frame and eurobracing. Interesting that there was a metal L shaped plate screwed in just under the front of the tank, all the way across. So there was no overhang of the front glass. It was fully supported, sitting on this lip. If it didn’t void the warranty I would brace up the stand myself and would install a similar lip or a full second top to avoid the floating glass. But if the sealant or application/curing of sealant is inferior then nothing would help. We do have a solid tile floor on a concrete slab on our first floor where the tank will be. When they deliver and install, I will make sure there are no bubbles in the seams. I was advised to make sure they level and then lock down the feet. And to make sure all the stand cam locks are tight. I will post updates. The tank has not arrived at the LFS yet.
 
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I'm so confused lol, not to be that guy but you came here for help, people told you to dispute it, which you are 100% within your legal rights to do, but your risking it instead? Goodluck!
 
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