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TL;DR: Splotches on clowns face, what is it and how should it be treated?

Hi All, I finally pulled the trigger on getting some fish, went to the local fish store and brought home two aquacultured clowns. Unfortunately, one of the clowns appears to be in bad shape. I didn't know enough of what to look for in the store to notice if any of this was pre-existing.

My fish has some white splotches on his face. Neither fish is lethargic, both are eating well after the first two days (9 days ago). Both fish appear to be breathing more rapidly than I expected, but they're so small I can barely see gill movement. I chalked this up to stress from the new environment

  • Frodo (the smaller of the two) appears to have a fin ripped or rotted off, this was not noticed in the store or when I first brought them home, I didn't know when it happened. As I look at this video now, I see the smaller fish (so far thought in ok condition, may or may not have a "goatee" of the same thing.
  • Sam (The larger of the two) rarely dropped its pelvic fins until recently, (clamping?). I first noticed a small blotch of white on his cheek (4 days ago) It was not very defined, and looking around the net I thought it could be the early stages of brook, since it looked like blotchy skin instead of anything attached or growing on him.

Since Ruby Reef Rally Pro was available quicky, and seemed to treat a whole host of things including brook, I thought it a safe bet. I didn't want to subject the fish to harsh medications without a disease id. Since dosing rally pro according to the directions, 3 days ago, the fishs fins appear more extended, which I'm taking as a positive sign, but the facial splotches don't appear to be improving. I now can also make out a bit below his mouth and on his forehead, which weren't there, or weren't pronounced enough to notice before. The splotches appear much more defined now, so I'm questioning the initial assumption of brook. Now it almost looks like something attached or growing (parasites or lymphocytes)

So... Should I continue to treat with Rally Pro since there's at least one positive sign of improvement (Fin extension)? Should I discontinue because this is obviously <insert id here>. Any help appreciated!

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TL;DR: Splotches on clowns face, what is it and how should it be treated?

Hi All, I finally pulled the trigger on getting some fish, went to the local fish store and brought home two aquacultured clowns. Unfortunately, one of the clowns appears to be in bad shape. I didn't know enough of what to look for in the store to notice if any of this was pre-existing.

My fish has some white splotches on his face. Neither fish is lethargic, both are eating well after the first two days (9 days ago). Both fish appear to be breathing more rapidly than I expected, but they're so small I can barely see gill movement. I chalked this up to stress from the new environment

  • Frodo (the smaller of the two) appears to have a fin ripped or rotted off, this was not noticed in the store or when I first brought them home, I didn't know when it happened. As I look at this video now, I see the smaller fish (so far thought in ok condition, may or may not have a "goatee" of the same thing.
  • Sam (The larger of the two) rarely dropped its pelvic fins until recently, (clamping?). I first noticed a small blotch of white on his cheek (4 days ago) It was not very defined, and looking around the net I thought it could be the early stages of brook, since it looked like blotchy skin instead of anything attached or growing on him.

Since Ruby Reef Rally Pro was available quicky, and seemed to treat a whole host of things including brook, I thought it a safe bet. I didn't want to subject the fish to harsh medications without a disease id. Since dosing rally pro according to the directions, 3 days ago, the fishs fins appear more extended, which I'm taking as a positive sign, but the facial splotches don't appear to be improving. I now can also make out a bit below his mouth and on his forehead, which weren't there, or weren't pronounced enough to notice before. The splotches appear much more defined now, so I'm questioning the initial assumption of brook. Now it almost looks like something attached or growing (parasites or lymphocytes)

So... Should I continue to treat with Rally Pro since there's at least one positive sign of improvement (Fin extension)? Should I discontinue because this is obviously <insert id here>. Any help appreciated!

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Ruby tally use was a good move as I suspect it as a possible cause to what you have an associated with brooklynella. With brook, the most significant sign is the amount of slime on its body which is noticeable on the fish as this mucus generally starts at the facial area as well as gills and spreads across the body producing lesions as it progresses often confused with ich and can turn into secondary bacteria. Other symptoms will be lethargic behavior, refusing to eat and heavy breathing from the mucus.
 

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Thank you for the speedy reply, puts my mind from "oh crap what did I do" to, "okay, I might just need patience to see change"...
Ruby Rally takes a couple of days to start working and taking effect. Be sure to remove carbon if any
 

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TL;DR: Splotches on clowns face, what is it and how should it be treated?

Hi All, I finally pulled the trigger on getting some fish, went to the local fish store and brought home two aquacultured clowns. Unfortunately, one of the clowns appears to be in bad shape. I didn't know enough of what to look for in the store to notice if any of this was pre-existing.

My fish has some white splotches on his face. Neither fish is lethargic, both are eating well after the first two days (9 days ago). Both fish appear to be breathing more rapidly than I expected, but they're so small I can barely see gill movement. I chalked this up to stress from the new environment

  • Frodo (the smaller of the two) appears to have a fin ripped or rotted off, this was not noticed in the store or when I first brought them home, I didn't know when it happened. As I look at this video now, I see the smaller fish (so far thought in ok condition, may or may not have a "goatee" of the same thing.
  • Sam (The larger of the two) rarely dropped its pelvic fins until recently, (clamping?). I first noticed a small blotch of white on his cheek (4 days ago) It was not very defined, and looking around the net I thought it could be the early stages of brook, since it looked like blotchy skin instead of anything attached or growing on him.

Since Ruby Reef Rally Pro was available quicky, and seemed to treat a whole host of things including brook, I thought it a safe bet. I didn't want to subject the fish to harsh medications without a disease id. Since dosing rally pro according to the directions, 3 days ago, the fishs fins appear more extended, which I'm taking as a positive sign, but the facial splotches don't appear to be improving. I now can also make out a bit below his mouth and on his forehead, which weren't there, or weren't pronounced enough to notice before. The splotches appear much more defined now, so I'm questioning the initial assumption of brook. Now it almost looks like something attached or growing (parasites or lymphocytes)

So... Should I continue to treat with Rally Pro since there's at least one positive sign of improvement (Fin extension)? Should I discontinue because this is obviously <insert id here>. Any help appreciated!

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Your clowns may have multiple issues. One thing you need to manage is aggression. Clowns are sly, they won’t fight while you’re watching them. However face damage and ripped fins tell the true story.
 
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Your clowns may have multiple issues. One thing you need to manage is aggression. Clowns are sly, they won’t fight while you’re watching them. However face damage and ripped fins tell the true story.
Thanks Jay, I'll look into some strategies for managing that. I have a second tank if need be but I'd hope there's something a bit more subtle than complete separation. Are you looking at his face and seeing it as evidence of fighting _instead of_ brook? Or just floating aggression as a possibility?

So far they've seemed to get along, I've twice seen the little one do the shakes after the big one lunges near when I first got them but they don't seem to nip at each other. Frodo always darts away, never fights. Fingers crossed that fin was preexisting damage and I'd feel really bad if Sam was that big of a bully.

Thanks again for the help, I see both of you answering questions all over this forum, it's awfully kind. Are they paying you a salary yet? :grinning-face-with-smiling-eyes:
 

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