The Ecotech pump clones have arrived in Ali Express !!!

[areefer01]

I’m not being ironic: in which way has Ecotech contributed to the hobby?

In which way has Jeabo or "insert whatever knock off name here"?

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

I'm not buying the argument that jebao or any other Chinese company is going to ruin the hobby. I don't see the A to B. If it's simply that those companies will no longer be innovative, well, I disagree, others will fill the gap.

In fact I can make an argument that controlling such intellectual property for so long has inflated costs across the entire hobby. I don't know what it costs per unit, but product life cycle suggests that costs per unit go down as a product matures. You would think that at some point there was a business decision to either pass the savings to the consumer or not. And of course both have their pros and cons.

Plus, I really don't understand this argument that consumers need to care. Psychological ownership really runs deep with ecotech and when you break it down, it definitely makes sense. New hobbyists see owning an ecotech product as an achievement or right of passage (cant fault them for great marketing). Once we have their product, we feel like we need to defend them just because we own their brand. But I really need to know why we should be their advocate?

The ball is (and always should be) in the consumers court. If there's a demand for elite, high priced product, then the market will fill that need. If the market has a need for economical alternatives, then let the consumer decide.

 

[areefer01]

I'm not buying the argument that jebao or any other Chinese company is going to ruin the hobby. I don't see the A to B. If it's simply that those companies will no longer be innovative, well, I disagree, others will fill the gap.

In fact I can make an argument that controlling such intellectual property for so long has inflated costs across the entire hobby. I don't know what it costs per unit, but product life cycle suggests that costs per unit go down as a product matures. You would think that at some point there was a business decision to either pass the savings to the consumer or not. And of course both have their pros and cons.

Plus, I really don't understand this argument that consumers need to care. Psychological ownership really runs deep with ecotech and when you break it down, it definitely makes sense. New hobbyists see owning an ecotech product as an achievement or right of passage (cant fault them for great marketing). Once we have their product, we feel like we need to defend them just because we own their brand. But I really need to know why we should be their advocate?

The ball is (and always should be) in the consumers court. If there's a demand for elite, high priced product, then the market will fill that need. If the market has a need for economical alternatives, then let the consumer decide.

Brand loyalty. Team loyalty. Some feel the need to talk down to someone who uses a different brand or likes a different team. I also see some budget shaming these days. This one I don't understand.

As far as innovation goes and clones the only thing I can say is that maybe people don't care until it happens to them. Not directed at you btw. On the other hand it could be taken as a compliment in a round about way...

Hope your day is well.

 

[Ironwill723]

I'm not buying the argument that jebao or any other Chinese company is going to ruin the hobby. I don't see the A to B. If it's simply that those companies will no longer be innovative, well, I disagree, others will fill the gap.

In fact I can make an argument that controlling such intellectual property for so long has inflated costs across the entire hobby. I don't know what it costs per unit, but product life cycle suggests that costs per unit go down as a product matures. You would think that at some point there was a business decision to either pass the savings to the consumer or not. And of course both have their pros and cons.

^^^^^ This exactly.

 

[Tyler Bullock]

I really though i was in a cars forum for a few minutes, domestic vs imports

 

[ReefDaddyz]

Explain?

Samsung is the largest thieves of technology. They will steal technology and make millions on millions by the time it goes through court system. They stole a lot of the tech for their phones in particular.

 

[reef-rc]

DMP-30 & DMP-40 vs. MP10 & MP40: Impressions

Just wanted to share, help and inform those curious about these new DMP pumps from someone that currently has a number these pumps running in my current systems. I currently have 6-8 MP10s and 10 MP40s across my tanks.

Why DMP-30 and DMP-40?
I decided to try the DMP-30 and DMP-40 instead of the smaller DMP-10 and DMP-20 because I didn’t need any more pumps similar to the MP10. Plus, I was curious about how the DMP-30 compares in size to the MP40, and I wanted to see for myself how the DMP-40 stacks up against the MP40.

The pics below show (from LEFT to RIGHT) the DMP-30, MP10, MP40, and DMP-40. Note, I’ve switched all my pumps to Limpet Wide Flow Pump Guards and ditched most of the original covers since they were just taking up space.

Maintenance:

• DMP wet side will likely be harder to clean since the there's a plastic covering around the magnet propeller

Pump Lowest Speed:

• The pump speed doesn’t go below 30%. That might not sound like a big deal, but it is for me. I usually set my pumps to 1%-5% during feeding. Also, my nighttime schedule sometimes drops below 30% to ease off for the fish and corals.

hth

 

[SpyC]

I am really enjoying how up in arms people are about this new product from Jebao, but are completely ok with a forum sponsor using other company’s photos of livestock as their own and adding their own watermarks so no one else can use them.

 

[Kylesreeftank]

I am really enjoying how up in arms people are about this new product from Jebao, but are completely ok with a forum sponsor using other company’s photos of livestock as their own and adding their own watermarks so no one else can use them.

Happens all the time.

 

[SpyC]

Happens all the time.

If one company stealing property from another is fine, then it should be fine for all. Happens all the time.

 

[Dburr1014]

Happens all the time.

Who is the original?

 

[fishybizzness]

DMP-30 & DMP-40 vs. MP10 & MP40: Impressions

Just wanted to share, help and inform those curious about these new DMP pumps from someone that currently has a number these pumps running in my current systems. I currently have 6-8 MP10s and 10 MP40s across my tanks.

Why DMP-30 and DMP-40?
I decided to try the DMP-30 and DMP-40 instead of the smaller DMP-10 and DMP-20 because I didn’t need any more pumps similar to the MP10. Plus, I was curious about how the DMP-30 compares in size to the MP40, and I wanted to see for myself how the DMP-40 stacks up against the MP40.

The pics below show (from LEFT to RIGHT) the DMP-30, MP10, MP40, and DMP-40. Note, I’ve switched all my pumps to Limpet Wide Flow Pump Guards and ditched most of the original covers since they were just taking up space.

Maintenance:

• DMP wet side will likely be harder to clean since the there's a plastic covering around the magnet propeller

Pump Lowest Speed:

• The pump speed doesn’t go below 30%. That might not sound like a big deal, but it is for me. I usually set my pumps to 1%-5% during feeding. Also, my nighttime schedule sometimes drops below 30% to ease off for the fish and corals.

hth

Do the aftermarket limpet wide flow guards fit the dmp pumps? If they do, where did you purchase them? Thanks

 

[Dburr1014]

Do the aftermarket limpet wide flow guards fit the dmp pumps? If they do, where did you purchase them? Thanks

No, they won't fit but I'm sure they are working on it.
I know for fact rhino reef is.

 

[Idech]

The pump speed doesn’t go below 30%. That might not sound like a big deal, but it is for me. I usually set my pumps to 1%-5% during feeding.

There is a convenient feed mode.

 

[Derrick0580]

For those who have ordered these and were given a delivery date, did anyone miss the date but still received their pump? Mine was supposed to be delivered on the 24. Received a whopping dollar off coupon from aliexpress, just hoping I still receive my wavemakers!

 

[klc]

Who would have thought this would turn into such a complicated topic. The way I see it, and it matters to no one but myself, is buy and use whatever you want to use. If you like Ecotech then buy them, if you would rather save some money and buy a Jebao then buy that instead.

I'm certainly not going to defend any businesses patent rights, I'm just a consumer and they make all of the money so let them worry about it.

And to be honest with myself and everyone else, Ecotech products are quite expensive. I make a decent amount of money and I could have purchased any device on the market to move water around, but I didn't see that what Ecotech offered had enough benefits to justify the price for them. Everything is global now, made in the USA does mean something to me, but even that has it's limits. I've been using Jebao pumps for 2 years now, I think at last count I have 9 of them in use on my 2 tanks, I've had zero issues with any of them. I think about how much more invested I'd be if I would have used domestic alternatives, and in the big picture of things my aquatic life wouldn't be any further along with Ecotech.

And one more thing, with all due respect I don't want to step on any toes here, I have to question anyone's decision to use a more expensive option just because it makes them feel good to buy something more expensive, or was the "right" thing to do. Money is money and in 2024 I'm going to save as much of it as I can.

Jebao products are very reliable, it's something I spend zero time worrying about. But in the case of the inevitable, I do have spares on hand. My retrun pumps are $59 and Amazon can get one to me literally the next day, the same goes for their wavemakes I use. And don't kid yourself, your tank will be fine if you lose some flow for a day or 2.

Good day reefers

And just for sheets and giggles, I knew nothing about Jebao when I got back into the hobby after a 10 year break. I heard about them from watching an episode of FragBox where March said he used them exclusively in his shop because of their performance vs cost. Just sayin'.

 

[SpyC]

Who would have thought this would turn into such a complicated topic. The way I see it, and it matters to no one but myself, is buy and use whatever you want to use. If you like Ecotech then buy them, if you would rather save some money and buy a Jebao then buy that instead.

I'm certainly not going to defend any businesses patent rights, I'm just a consumer and they make all of the money so let them worry about it.

And to be honest with myself and everyone else, Ecotech products are quite expensive. I make a decent amount of money and I could have purchased any device on the market to move water around, but I didn't see that what Ecotech offered had enough benefits to justify the price for them. Everything is global now, made in the USA does mean something to me, but even that has it's limits. I've been using Jebao pumps for 2 years now, I think at last count I have 9 of them in use on my 2 tanks, I've had zero issues with any of them. I think about how much more invested I'd be if I would have used domestic alternatives, and in the big picture of things my aquatic life wouldn't be any further along with Ecotech.

And one more thing, with all due respect I don't want to step on any toes here, I have to question anyone's decision to use a more expensive option just because it makes them feel good to buy something more expensive, or was the "right" thing to do. Money is money and in 2024 I'm going to save as much of it as I can.

Jebao products are very reliable, it's something I spend zero time worrying about. But in the case of the inevitable, I do have spares on hand. My retrun pumps are $59 and Amazon can get one to me literally the next day, the same goes for their wavemakes I use. And don't kid yourself, your tank will be fine if you lose some flow for a day or 2.

Good day reefers

Personally, my only issue is if the devices I use meet ul standards or are ul verified. If both are, I go woth the cheapest that seems to last a reasonable period of time.

 

[reef-rc]

No, they won't fit but I'm sure they are working on it.
I know for fact rhino reef is.

Do the aftermarket limpet wide flow guards fit the dmp pumps? If they do, where did you purchase them? Thanks

As @Dburr1014 above noted, they do not. Different design unfortunately. The DMP pump has the rod in the middle connected to the pump guard, while in the MP pump, the rod is attached to the base.

 

[reef-rc]

There is a convenient feed mode.

Could you explain the convenient feed mode? I’m new to the app, and it seems like feed mode just stops the pump for up to 60 minutes. Are you referring something to run the pump below 30% without stopping it completely?

 

[Macbalacano]

Very interesting discussion! I've owned both Ecotech products and Jebao products in the past.

I'll be honest in that I will definitely be sticking with Jebao in the future due to their product's overall value proposition.

What Ecotech is experiencing is something that many companies and governments are also struggling with around the world. While I believe individual consumers can play their part, I generally do not agree with blaming or putting responsibility on the consumer for 'supporting' a specific world view / philosophy / ethics.

I believe that it is the government's responsibility to properly regulate markets. Ironically, the USA professes that capitalism is the best economic system/model and yet many folks who also support capitalism are upset when there is competition and that the government isn't doing enough (true capitalism and free markets are will little to no government intervention).

It is not a great position for Ecotech to be in, but I think they need to do some soul searching here - if other companies are able to sell a similar product, there are other 'P's of marketing that they can leverage to differentiate their company and product. They can/should also lobby the government to better protect their Intelectual Property, if they feel that is the problem. Different American companies and industries have lobbied their government to put up all sorts of trade barriers on all sorts of Canadian products because they felt it was unfair - this is clearly an option.

This argument is like why buy a luxury car versus a regular car? Both take you from point A to point B, but at the end of the day, there are many other reasons people buy what they buy - it really boils down to the 'value' that the customer perceives they receive.

People who are buying Jebao vs. Ecotech have simply decided that they receive more value for their money.