Will Achros straight out die with low light?

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Lights and power heads are set “very low”. My 6 foot SPS tank has six power heads. The surface flow looks like a hot tub!

If you want to grow acros, you have to do it right. The acros are your focus.

Yes but I’m saying if his frags died shortly after without growing, then I wouldn’t point to flow right away.

Ya he needs flow if he wants to have sps and colonies but my frag tank doesn’t even have a power head, just some basic return flow and sps frags are doing well from near death shipping experience. I’m sure they wouldn’t once they actually branch out but for right now they are not big enough to need much.
 

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well, I don't know if this is answerable, but would moderate fluctuations of phosphate cause my achro to die? today I measured again. The phosphate is .03 which is low. But sometimes it's high is .22. And I'm thinking the GFO reactor may be causing swings or phosphate. And I know this is mentioned in the thread post above. So I'm just wondering if daily phosphate shifts from like .03 to. . 20 would be the problem?
maybe I need to buy a Hanah alkalinity tester as well.
@Ballyhoo That’s one of the little things I was talking about. Adapt your feeding schedule to ur filtration. If you find your filtration lacking feed less, better filtration means more food and I find that the best strategy. Heavy in, heavy out. Once you do that and stick to it you’ll gain stability. Aim for .03 to .12, but tanks can get used to more as long as it’s pretty stable. I don’t like gfo for reef tanks with acros especially, it’s just too much a roller coaster for me and can take stuff out I prefer not to. Brightwell-E is the best IME (Lanthanum chloride), very calculated and easy to use, just figure the amount from their directions and dump it in middle of protein skimmer. Remember after you get nutrient levels to stick, everything time u add/lose livestock it changes a bit. BTW I just use salifert test but id suggest Hannah checker.
 

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Also I have found frags don't need that much flow be fine... so if they are dying as frags... not sure I would blame flow yet.
U may be right but IME frags need good flow as well. Not as much as colonies maybe that have to get between the branches but nice flow nonetheless. I think it’s better to err on the side of caution and just give them atleast medium flow. Also @Ballyhoo, they prefer random which isn’t hard to do. Just pointing Powerhead flow into each others direction and/or using intermittent flow settings.
 

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U may be right but IME frags need good flow as well. Not as much as colonies maybe that have to get between the branches but nice flow nonetheless. I think it’s better to err on the side of caution and just give them atleast medium flow. Also @Ballyhoo, they prefer random which isn’t hard to do. Just pointing Powerhead flow into each others direction and/or using intermittent flow settings.

I am not saying don't give them flow or that he should not change what he is doing. He should, because the point is to have colonies but...

I just don't think flow is why they died. Would they have died if they had grown bigger? ya probably at least parts would have died off like inner branches, lower parts, etc. Flow would get lower and it would shade itself. So low flow and low light isn't going to work long term...

but... why did they die now? probably not the flow or light unless he had them a long while. It sounds like he isn't testing alk, etc. He has a lot of coralline growing that would use up his big 3. I think there is probably multiple factors here. It may not be one thing but a combination of many things that together are just too much.

low flow
low light
unknown major parameters, possibly swings
po4 possibly swinging

all dog piled onto the SPS

That being said I have some acro frags in my 25g with no powerhead (just return) and no testing/no dosing :confounded-face: they are growing fast after a near death shipping experience but I know as they get bigger I will need to get my **** together...
 

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I am not saying don't give them flow or that he should not change what he is doing. He should, because the point is to have colonies but...

I just don't think flow is why they died. Would they have died if they had grown bigger? ya probably at least parts would have died off like inner branches, lower parts, etc. Flow would get lower and it would shade itself. So low flow and low light isn't going to work long term...

but... why did they die now? probably not the flow or light unless he had them a long while. It sounds like he isn't testing alk, etc. He has a lot of coralline growing that would use up his big 3. I think there is probably multiple factors here. It may not be one thing but a combination of many things that together are just too much.

low flow
low light
unknown major parameters, possibly swings
po4 possibly swinging

all dog piled onto the SPS

That being said I have some acro frags in my 25g with no powerhead (just return) and no testing/no dosing :confounded-face: they are growing fast after a near death shipping experience but I know as they get bigger I will need to get my **** together...
Sure, I agree.. not having good light/flow will make them uncomfortable and less likely to survive the stress of unstable elements/nutrients
 

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I am not saying don't give them flow or that he should not change what he is doing. He should, because the point is to have colonies but...

I just don't think flow is why they died. Would they have died if they had grown bigger? ya probably at least parts would have died off like inner branches, lower parts, etc. Flow would get lower and it would shade itself. So low flow and low light isn't going to work long term...

but... why did they die now? probably not the flow or light unless he had them a long while. It sounds like he isn't testing alk, etc. He has a lot of coralline growing that would use up his big 3. I think there is probably multiple factors here. It may not be one thing but a combination of many things that together are just too much.

low flow
low light
unknown major parameters, possibly swings
po4 possibly swinging

all dog piled onto the SPS

That being said I have some acro frags in my 25g with no powerhead (just return) and no testing/no dosing :confounded-face: they are growing fast after a near death shipping experience but I know as they get bigger I will need to get my **** together...
It’s always cool no matter the way you do it to have them grow, I’m sure have a routine and sticking to it if they’re doing well but might oughta go ahead and get your $*** together lol. Nano’s can change sooo quickly, I run a 40g breeder with 10g sump. It’s scary at times, I’m ready to upgrade just to help my nerves (and for more room to continue my acro collecting addiction).
 

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Yes but I’m saying if his frags died shortly after without growing, then I wouldn’t point to flow right away.

Ya he needs flow if he wants to have sps and colonies but my frag tank doesn’t even have a power head, just some basic return flow and sps frags are doing well from near death shipping experience. I’m sure they wouldn’t once they actually branch out but for right now they are not big enough to need much.

I am not saying don't give them flow or that he should not change what he is doing. He should, because the point is to have colonies but...

I just don't think flow is why they died. Would they have died if they had grown bigger? ya probably at least parts would have died off like inner branches, lower parts, etc. Flow would get lower and it would shade itself. So low flow and low light isn't going to work long term...

but... why did they die now? probably not the flow or light unless he had them a long while. It sounds like he isn't testing alk, etc. He has a lot of coralline growing that would use up his big 3. I think there is probably multiple factors here. It may not be one thing but a combination of many things that together are just too much.

low flow
low light
unknown major parameters, possibly swings
po4 possibly swinging

all dog piled onto the SPS

That being said I have some acro frags in my 25g with no powerhead (just return) and no testing/no dosing :confounded-face: they are growing fast after a near death shipping experience but I know as they get bigger I will need to get my **** together...


Yes but I’m saying if his frags died shortly after without growing, then I wouldn’t point to flow right away.

Ya he needs flow if he wants to have sps and colonies but my frag tank doesn’t even have a power head, just some basic return flow and sps frags are doing well from near death shipping experience. I’m sure they wouldn’t once they actually branch out but for right now they are not big enough to need much.
The OP put acros in a softy tank, and you are arguing that isn’t why they died?

Regardless of the exact cause of death, acros in a low light and low flow tank are not going to make it.
 

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The OP put acros in a softy tank, and you are arguing that isn’t why they died?

Why would a softy tank matter? Mine is 90 percent softies and no carbon. It doesn’t matter. It’s over stated that they are toxic.

People have had mixed tanks and heavy softy ranks with a few acros and softy tanks plumbed into their acro system to work as the no3 filters etc.

Unless it’s touching the acros.

Assuming that is what you mean.

I feel I pretty clearly stated the low flow is probably not what killed them (because they were small frags) just an IMO.
 

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Why would a softy tank matter? Mine is 90 percent softies and no carbon. It doesn’t matter. It’s over stated that they are toxic.

People have had mixed tanks and heavy softy ranks with a few acros and softy tanks plumbed into their acro system to work as the no3 filters etc.

Unless it’s touching the acros.

Assuming that is what you mean.
Do you have acros?
 

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Never a good feeling loosing livestock, especially for someone newish to the hobby. My suggestions would be:

Now:
- do a full suite water test as soon as possible, in a softie dominated tank, I find that water-changes of about 30% should be able to replenish your water of the much needed major elements, and keep any toxins from the softies at bay.
- Take a screenshot of your lighting schedule, and a picture of your light and where it’s placed on the tank.
- Take a video of the tank and flow, and post both on here.

If you would like to seriously keep acros and many other sps in the future, please:
- test alk,cal and mag weekly along with your Nitrate and Phosphate.
- Check salinity and temperature daily, as they are two things that can change extremely quickly if equipment fails.
- easiest of them all, go to your local fish shop or find a YouTube channel you like and watch their tank tours/stocking/updates to see what they are doing to keep their coral happy. I found the old reefbuilders videos, tidal gardens and Parker’s reef were really useful when I was starting out 5 years ago, as well as going to my 2 favourite lfs and seeing how they ran their tanks. Best of luck.
 

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Thanks, seems like bottled stuff is being added now and again but lack of testing.
 

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