Ok thanks I will do that! I did find a dead urchin and two dead nems today so I'm sure that could be contributing to the spike too.Don't forget to test your fresh salt water for a baseline. As others have indicated things should start to improve.
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Ok thanks I will do that! I did find a dead urchin and two dead nems today so I'm sure that could be contributing to the spike too.Don't forget to test your fresh salt water for a baseline. As others have indicated things should start to improve.
I'm not sure if you're implying I don't know about qt and fallow. I am not a complete newbie. I have a 90g and 60g. Have done fallow before. All my livestock have been qurantined per Jay's protocol and I've talked with him many of times when in question of diesease. There's a reason there aren't fish in this tank currently. They're being treated with copper as we speak.where live rocks go, any claimed ammonia event that wasn't big enough to kill animals resolves in about 15 minutes, that's the rule. that is why all the outcomes are safe, always, in every case. it's not like she kept stirring the sand here for every day.
there was never a source in that tank for continued unprocessed ammonia beyond the massive command ability from that quality live rock. this tank here has rare quality old school coralline live rock, the fast ammonia resolver we ever needed in any cycle troubleshoot.
when a thread title is about an ammonia test reading, and not a loss of life, that's a signal Ive detected that old cycling science is in play. the thread will then turn into pages and reams of focus on the testing, reverification, battles back and forth while literally any time a pic is posted the tank is simply normal. the keeper will 1000% make purchases to resolve stress that old cycling science gave them. the doubt cycle continues
and, as an impact, 0% worry or planning is given to the reefer about to fully stock a new tank with fish any iota of disease preps. Old cycling science plants false fear in people for consequences we literally can't find, and omits the real things that kill fish in about 8 mos, if ten years of work threads from Jay's disease forum means anything.
that's right where we're at today. fully locked into cycling fear, ignoring mountains of proof to the counter, and not discussing disease whatsoever.
new cycling science: don't test for ammonia ever again on this reef as long as rocks stay wet. you need to aim all this energy + 5 days of self-directed learning in Jay's fish disease forum, you're about to violate fallow and QT as this tank is stocked, and when fish die by September-Dec, and you then take another test reading though I'm telling you not to, you will then be 100% convinced ammonia was the cause.
you will then do loop remedies for a non cause like this thread, buy more fish, and the cycle of loss will not stop until you stop testing for ammonia here and instead manage disease vectoring in the tank.
that's what's coming most likely.
Look on the bright side, Brandon hasn't accused you of falsifying your ammonia results yet. His posts remind me of a rat I shot in the garden, the legs were twitching but the brain was gone.I'm not sure if you're implying I don't know about qt and fallow. I am not a complete newbie. I have a 90g and 60g. Have done fallow before. All my livestock have been qurantined per Jay's protocol and I've talked with him many of times when in question of diesease. There's a reason there aren't fish in this tank currently. They're being treated with copper as we speak.
Lol I guess I'll have to start taking pictures of my hanna checker in preparation. It's not fair someone to imply someone knows nothing about disease prep or that I'm setting myself up for fallow failure...these argumentaive type debates are what keep people from posting in forums when they need help unfortunately. I usually only post here out of desperation.Look on the bright side, Brandon hasn't accused you of falsifying your ammonia results yet. His posts remind me of a rat I shot in the garden, the legs were twitching but the brain was gone.
There really is no debate happening so there is nothing to be confused about.Awh thanks! Lol I'm trying to stay out of the debate and just take all the perspectives . I will consider that! Not sure where to do that but I'm sure I can find it on here lol
Maybe thats the incorrect wording I used but there are clearly differing views on this topic happening on this thread.There really is no debate happening so there is nothing to be confused about.
Always beware of the man/woman who claims he/she has a scientific theory, but under no circumstances can it be questioned or tested. By definition, this is the antithesis of science.Maybe thats the incorrect wording I used but there are clearly differing views on this topic happening on this thread.
Old cycling science plants false fear in people
that's right where we're at today. fully locked into cycling fear,
the rest of this thread will be critics painting fear...
you will then do loop remedies for a non cause like this thread, buy more fish, and the cycle of loss will not stop until you stop testing for ammonia here and instead manage disease vectoring in the tank.
that's what's coming most likely.
Brandon's "view" is that most of us (the entire community and published authors and personalities) are gravely misinformed about "reef science" and have been brainwashed by the publishers and vendors in this hobby in a grand conspiracy (or are part of the conspiracy) meant to hide the truth for profit and name recognition, as well as persecute him for trying to spread said truth.Maybe thats the incorrect wording I used but there are clearly differing views on this topic happening on this thread.
Thank you for asking. The nems seem sligtly happier today (more bubbled tips) than yesterday. Ammonia's still going up. I added bottled bac yesterday. My lfs didnt have turbo start or the other one someone recommended so I just got an API one.There is not a single post in this thread telling the OP to be fearful of anything. Nobody is trying to scare the OP into following advice... well except you telling them to be afraid of any advice that does not come from you or their will be an endless cycle of death!
Brandon's "view" is that most of us (the entire community and published authors and personalities) are gravely misinformed about "reef science" and have been brainwashed by the publishers and vendors in this hobby in a grand conspiracy (or are part of the conspiracy) meant to hide the truth for profit and name recognition, as well as persecute him for trying to spread said truth.
If you can honestly decipher what he is saying and weigh that against the advice of others, then go for it. There is no "argument" because he can't be nailed down.
How is the tank today? Things looking any better?
It was determined long ago that generally the NH4/NH3 total ammonia result was most useful as it doesn't jump up and down with pH, and is relatively easy to test for. An NH3 result on its own is great but likewise does not indicate the reservoir of total ammonia unless pH is known.Nh3 is the measure reefs use and want
Sure is if all of your rhetoric, verbosity, bloviation and made up "science" trying to explain how the test results just can't be valid or trusted is removed. We would be left with a page of simple conversation and be at the same exact point.It's a good thread in my opinion
You spent the first 4 pages trying to convince everyone that this is just another "false ammonia alert" thread predictable by what you call "new cycling science".We've all spent a good deal focusing on the bacteria.
Her system above is unique in its aging and maturity. I bet even if the bac are dead
You quite literally go around making fun of people for thinking that (I can quote a post from less than an hour ago in another thread or posts from this thread) and now you are asking because you don't really know?Curious if a common reef tank sandbed has unused ammonia,
All in the context of "we" as if the participants in this thread are working in concert with you and this is a controlled experiment that you can put under your cap as another "outbound job" as proof of your opinions when in-fact that only thing that has been confirmed is that you contradict your own rhetoric, and do it often.That would honestly make this thread a strong reading reference for others
Awh thanks! Lol I'm trying to stay out of the debate and just take all the perspectives . I will consider that! Not sure where to do that but I'm sure I can find it on here lol
I'm also surprised(and wrong) they are climbing.What Brandon did not address (it would mean him admitting he was wrong) was that your readings are continuing to climb. In any case, What is your reading now? What about pH?
would checking one of my other dt's water be equivalent to checking lfs dt? I can check my fresh water change too. I will do that. Ph is still low at 7.8. Skimmer is on. Ammonia is 2.23. I haven't done a water change yet since initially filling most of the tank. I know I should I just was really hoping the bottled bac would move things in the right direction.In between the walls of text, Brandon suggested using your Hanna checker and reagent to test the LFS's water to have something to compare to. This is not a terrible idea, and as indicated, a test of your fresh change water would also be helpful.
What Brandon did not address (it would mean him admitting he was wrong) was that your readings are continuing to climb. In any case, What is your reading now? What about pH?
I am not going to pretend to have the full explanation of what is happening or default to blaming the test kit or operator.I'm also surprised(and wrong) they are climbing.
I'm wondering if it's because of the few dead nems I found. Maybe there's more in the sand bed I have no clue I don't want to disturb it anymore but there are so many baby nems in this tank. I thought I mature reef could handle 2ppm in a day so I am also very confused and frustrated.I'm also surprised(and wrong) they are climbing.
It never hurts to check your instrument/kit against another system, especially if that system has tests results from a different instrument. It may not tell you which one is correct if they are different. If they are close it can give you some peace of mind.would checking one of my other dt's water be equivalent to checking lfs dt? I can check my fresh water change too. I will do that. Ph is still low at 7.8. Skimmer is on. Ammonia is 2.23. I haven't done a water change yet since initially filling most of the tank. I know I should I just was really hoping the bottled bac would move things in the right direction.