MXM: Missing Anti-Sync and Back Profiles for Vortech

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I now have two Vortechs, 2 vectras, an orbit and an axis pump all on MXM. I really like the way I can have everything in Apex. If they would do an update that would allow you to sync an AI pump with an ecotech pump like you can do using hydros that would be amazing!!! And of course if they added the versa to MXM control that would be amazing too.
 

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I now have two Vortechs, 2 vectras, an orbit and an axis pump all on MXM. I really like the way I can have everything in Apex. If they would do an update that would allow you to sync an AI pump with an ecotech pump like you can do using hydros that would be amazing!!! And of course if they added the versa to MXM control that would be amazing too.
If they did the versas that would be a game changer! Or they can just come out with their own versa type pump. Or even a 2 and 4 head like all the other controllers have. Even like the red sea doses.
 

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did they ever say whether sync/anti-sync is the percent of the master pump?

For example if the one I want to follow is set to 50% sync with the master, will it run at 50% of its own strength, or at 50% of whatever the master is set to?
so if the master is 80, the follower is 40. if master is 60, follower is 30, etc
 

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Just set the child to 100% with the same points as the parent. Select to sync or to anti sync. Parent set the % you want it to run for on a point. Child will sync 100% the speed of the parent or anti sync 100% of the parent.
Sync = Parent 75% = child 75%
Anti = Parent 75% = child 35%
 

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Just set the child to 100% with the same points as the parent. Select to sync or to anti sync. Parent set the % you want it to run for on a point. Child will sync 100% the speed of the parent or anti sync 100% of the parent.
Sync = Parent 75% = child 75%
Anti = Parent 75% = child 35%
so how does anti sync with nutrient transport work?

also, is there a way for me to put the child to run stronger than the parent? I have a an mp60s and mp40 on each end, but the 40 is going into acros and the 60 is running into torches and stuff. I want the mp40 to run at like 60% while the 60 runs at around 40-50 (since theyre obviously running at different strengths during those)
 

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also, is there a way for me to put the child to run stronger than the parent? I have a an mp60s and mp40 on each end, but the 40 is going into acros and the 60 is running into torches and stuff. I want the mp40 to run at like 60% while the 60 runs at around 40-50 (since theyre obviously running at different strengths during those)
This will be nearly impossible as the parent will be pushing more water the majority of the time in any given cycle and the MP 60 is a bigger pump and pushes more water. You could switch the parent to child and the child to parent but it would still be the same. You can switch the pumps to different sides of the tank but the outcome would still be the same. The only way would be to just run them separately that way you can control how much each pump can do.
 

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I really tried to embrace MXM. Truthfully, Mobius is far far far more capable, and informative. I’m done moving little orange balls around. No sync//anti sync for my gyre. Graphics are not even close. Back to Mobius,
BRS will get mine back. Very cumbersome , too many snags.
This is how it’s done…….not the last one. So disappointed.
On the bright side, Apex Fusion as a whole absolutely rocks. I’m only disappointed in the MXM. I hope one of the two can get us some versa control that’s as good as APEX DOS.

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Hurray! Mobius on wi-fi is far far superior. I can’t understand why people knock mobius. It’s a great platform.
 

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I now have two Vortechs, 2 vectras, an orbit and an axis pump all on MXM. I really like the way I can have everything in Apex. If they would do an update that would allow you to sync an AI pump with an ecotech pump like you can do using hydros that would be amazing!!! And of course if they added the versa to MXM control that would be amazing too.
I am considering buying 2 Axis 90s. What kind of control can I expect on Fusion? I would really like to see some screenshots of what the Apex will let you control from non-Neptune brands. I can't seem to find any demo stuff like that. I assume there are layers of how much control and feedback you get from devices compatible with Fusion?

1 Neptune stuff
2 Ecotech and AI stuff
3 Other Brands?
4 0-10V stuff
5 etc...

So, it's either the two AI pumps or a COR 15 at a similar price. My display will be 50 gal and the sump is still being ironed out, but at least 25 gal. I really like the flexibility and especially the safety of two pumps. But then with the feedback from the COR, I'm supposed to know that it is dying before it dies? But then the EB832 will still monitor power usage for the AI pumps and I'd have some glimpse into their issues too? Idk. But if I had an idea of what options were available on the app for AI pumps I think it would be helpful. I really don't know what the COR offers because the Axis pumps are supposed to be pretty quiet too.

Honestly, the biggest selling point for the COR is the fact that it would free up two outlets.
 

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I am considering buying 2 Axis 90s. What kind of control can I expect on Fusion? I would really like to see some screenshots of what the Apex will let you control from non-Neptune brands. I can't seem to find any demo stuff like that. I assume there are layers of how much control and feedback you get from devices compatible with Fusion?

1 Neptune stuff
2 Ecotech and AI stuff
3 Other Brands?
4 0-10V stuff
5 etc...

So, it's either the two AI pumps or a COR 15 at a similar price. My display will be 50 gal and the sump is still being ironed out, but at least 25 gal. I really like the flexibility and especially the safety of two pumps. But then with the feedback from the COR, I'm supposed to know that it is dying before it dies? But then the EB832 will still monitor power usage for the AI pumps and I'd have some glimpse into their issues too? Idk. But if I had an idea of what options were available on the app for AI pumps I think it would be helpful. I really don't know what the COR offers because the Axis pumps are supposed to be pretty quiet too.

Honestly, the biggest selling point for the COR is the fact that it would free up two outlets.
I'm not 100% sure what you're wanting to achieve with the axis 90 but if you're planning on using them as a return pump, I would advise against it. These pumps are underwhelming for use as a return pump. I would consider them for supplying flow through media reactors but something that requires water to overcome head pressure, I would say axis isn't the right pump.

with that being said, the axis can be controlled via Fusion with the help of MXM. You'll have the basic function of controlling the pumps output based on time as well as what apex has to offer as a controller by setting feed modes and alike.

I use my axis 90 to circulate water in my salt mixing bin. It's a simple set up but here's how it looks in fusion.

Screenshot_20240525_230658_APEXFusion.jpg


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As for the cor15, that's more of a traditional return pump. In fusion the programming is the same as axis, but it offers a widget that provides some novelty data.

Screenshot_20240525_231010_APEXFusion.jpg


And as you said, they can be connected via a 1link cable directly into an eb832 or a 1link module.
 

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I'm not 100% sure what you're wanting to achieve with the axis 90 but if you're planning on using them as a return pump, I would advise against it. These pumps are underwhelming for use as a return pump. I would consider them for supplying flow through media reactors but something that requires water to overcome head pressure, I would say axis isn't the right pump.

with that being said, the axis can be controlled via Fusion with the help of MXM. You'll have the basic function of controlling the pumps output based on time as well as what apex has to offer as a controller by setting feed modes and alike.

I use my axis 90 to circulate water in my salt mixing bin. It's a simple set up but here's how it looks in fusion.

Screenshot_20240525_230658_APEXFusion.jpg


Screenshot_20240525_230713_APEXFusion.jpg


As for the cor15, that's more of a traditional return pump. In fusion the programming is the same as axis, but it offers a widget that provides some novelty data.

Screenshot_20240525_231010_APEXFusion.jpg


And as you said, they can be connected via a 1link cable directly into an eb832 or a 1link module.
Thank you, that is very helpful! And I love the phrase "novelty data"!

Yes, these are for return pumps. I figure that I'm going to have 75-80 total gallons. I had originally considered 2 Axis 40s for a total of 800 gph. I'll probably have 4-6 feet of head pressure and they idea of running my pumps at or near 100% all the time is not appealing, hence the upgrade to the 90s. 2 Axis 90s give me 1850 gph, more than enough. The max head is 10 feet for those and the COR has 1500 gph with a max head of 14 feet.

What is it about Axis that you don't like about them as return pumps? Are you saying that despite the lower gph, that the higher max head of the COR will be more critical to long term operation?

And one more screenshot if you could please? What does the EB832 power monitoring for it's outlets look like?
 

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What is it about Axis that you don't like about them as return pumps?
I haven't delve into it much, but I think from a mechanical perspective, the traditional design of the volute on the cor really takes advantage of the centrifugal force to maximize "pressure" and flow (I use the word pressure loosely because they're non positive displacement type pumps).

The axis doesn't seem to follow that recipe to maximize the centrifugal force. I would guess that a lot of the potential "pressure" is lost inside the pump as it redirects flow through the body of the pump.

Are you saying that despite the lower gph, that the higher max head of the COR will be more critical to long term operation?
I'm saying that when making a choice between the 2, it's difficult to compare apples to apples because they have different characteristics. If head pressure isn't an issue than the axis will perform to move water, just don't expect it to act the same as any other traditional pump with a traditional volute.
And one more screenshot if you could please? What does the EB832 power monitoring for it's outlets look like?
If you're asking about power monitoring for the 1link outlets, they don't provide any in the eb832 widget. You can however, toggle through and view the different stats of the 8 outlets connected to the eb832.

Screenshot_20240526_112720_APEXFusion.jpg


Screenshot_20240526_112726_APEXFusion.jpg


Screenshot_20240526_112735_APEXFusion.jpg
 

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I haven't delve into it much, but I think from a mechanical perspective, the traditional design of the volute on the cor really takes advantage of the centrifugal force to maximize "pressure" and flow (I use the word pressure loosely because they're non positive displacement type pumps).

The axis doesn't seem to follow that recipe to maximize the centrifugal force. I would guess that a lot of the potential "pressure" is lost inside the pump as it redirects flow through the body of the pump.


I'm saying that when making a choice between the 2, it's difficult to compare apples to apples because they have different characteristics. If head pressure isn't an issue than the axis will perform to move water, just don't expect it to act the same as any other traditional pump with a traditional volute.

If you're asking about power monitoring for the 1link outlets, they don't provide any in the eb832 widget. You can however, toggle through and view the different stats of the 8 outlets connected to the eb832.

Screenshot_20240526_112720_APEXFusion.jpg


Screenshot_20240526_112726_APEXFusion.jpg


Screenshot_20240526_112735_APEXFusion.jpg
Thanks again, and I have understood you all along. It's funny though, because I was just watching a car restoration show, when it dawned on me that this is no different than torque vs horsepower. I can't be the first person that thought of that.

I'm not gonna lie, I have been drawn to the COR 15 from the beginning. However, I believe wisdom says to go with the 2 Axis 90s. Near as I can tell, from a control perspective all I'm getting from the COR vs Axis is rpm and internal temp (which theoretically should tell me that I need a new pump before it busts and thus negate the redundancy of two smaller pumps but who knows.) I'm thinking that if I do end up with 5-6' head pressure, then the Axis is out. However, I'm still unsure about which way to go if I am able to achieve a straight 4' head, which I believe is the most likely scenario. Then I start to think about replacement value; where I believe the Axis clearly wins out. Run it til its dry, then chill while you order a replacement because the other one still works.

Maybe 1Link wins the day.

Anyhow, I'm doing a fun build that involves tearing out part of my kitchen cabinetry and rebuilding it around my tank. I will be putting up some drawings I've made and other fun stuff on a My Tank thread eventually (if I can find where that link went - the R2R community is really impressing me but the tabs and format of the site... not so much)

Here's a glimpse of the future. The custom tank/frame is still maybe 2 months away. My neighbor is a carpenter and will be hooking up a barn door style sump access with cabinets and drawers on the kitchen side. All clad in reclaimed barn wood.

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Oh, and btw this is my first reef tank. I realize that this is ambitious but I have been dreaming and obsessing about this since November. The more I learned, the more I needed to learn and the bigger the project grew. I feel like I am ahead of the game for a never-ever but any help, tips and definitely criticisms are appreciated.


*I just picked up a Syncra Silent 1.5 on sale as a salt mixer - also grabbed an Ultra Zero, I guess the COR would be backed up in a pinch?
 

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