I did say best bet... I also work in a similar space to this. Certainly allowlisting countries is a horrible idea, but it would work 
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No, I’m not trying to conflate or reframe what you have said, at least not that I’m aware of. Read again what I wrote and what are the possible reasons you pointed out in your first couple of comments here, this could be intimidating to someone not familiar with it, and I believe I gave reasonable explanation to what have happened, eliminating most of the options you pointed out there.Hi Dany - you appear to be conflating and/or reframing parts of what I said. I have no interest in further developing a pointless conversation that does not aide the OP or R2R.
I simply gave the OP the most likely causes, based on simple facts. I also explained the general issue with the risk of loosening filters to accommodate what is likely a small portion of the user base that is inconvenienced. Sometimes there are no easy fixes for things was the point. That decisions is of course is up to R2R and whoever manages their DNS and firewall.
I don't really care to get into the weeds with edge cases, geopolitical IP issues, or the actual features of each CF tier (a product that you admit to not being overly familiar with) or quibble about what sites get what kind of traffic or what level of filtering that they need or what particular threats or attack vectors they need to worry about.
FWIW - I am not a "researcher" - this is what I do hands-on every day with more traffic sources and endpoints than I care to discuss here. Simply put, this is an area that I have specific expertise in. But, thank you for offering your take.
It may or may not help, depending on what is triggering the Turing test. There is a lot more involved than just IP.
Two different badges...Seems the 2 I did get CF on is Israel + South Africa
Where do we pick up our bad guys badge from?
It is a "wild west" kind of thing.
I always appreciated your comments, so it seemed very unusual, sudden and uncalled for. I’m glad it wasn’t the case.Hi - I am not upset -- and yes there may be some loss of context and tone both with typing and language.
Well, this is where our views differ.I tried to point out that there is no argument of benefit to be had here and to that end I am not sure exactly what the point is.
I do believe it is a difficult issue to diagnose, and even more so when those in charge and with the technical knowledge aren't experiencing it, which immediately lead them to assume it is something that isn't in their ability to fix, or requiring features that aren’t available on their tier.I think the only disagreement may be how easy it is to fix or even diagnose issue like this given the platforms involved -- and that is not something either of us have access to solve. So we had a brief conversation about that, but there is not much more helpful that can be said from either of us.
It’s very easy to point fingers at what seem to be the most obvious reason - and it only proves my point from earlier.Israel - again not an overly large address space (~8 million) and there is an extremely high volume of non-browsing traffic from Israeli IPs, including cybersecurity firms, intelligence-related activity, research crawlers, and automation (both malicious and legitimate) that dominate that small address space.
Sorry you got that impression. Justified was not (at all) the context, rather just the reality that it is a byproduct of current filter parameters creating false positives.The way you seem to present it (or at least the way I view your argument) - is that it is justified,
I do think it is out of their control, rather my point was that the settings are much less granular than you assume them to be.and not in R2Rs control unless they pay for an enterprise account -
I typically apply Occam's razor for early diagnosis of a problemIt’s very easy to point fingers at what seem to be the most obvious reason - and it only proves my point from earlier.
I don't disagree with how absolutely frustrating that must be for you and do hope that they can find a reasonable balance that will alleviate some of the frustration.@revhtree Just to say it out loud - the experience of using R2R in this condition is absolutely unbearable.
If it was out of their control, than it should’ve been out of many other websites control using the same tier, wouldn’t it?I do think it is out of their control, rather my point was that the settings are much less granular than you assume them to be.
That’s part of human nature, hence why I was able to predict ittypically apply Occam's razor for early diagnosis of a problem![]()
If other sites don’t have the same issue they are not using the same configuration. That likely means turning something off or altering a rule, that’s been the point all along. I can’t speak for R2R to say if the reduced level of filtering is acceptable to them or not. There is not a lot to misconfigure.If it was out of their control, than it should’ve been out of many other websites control using the same tier, wouldn’t it?