Current Quarantine Protocol

[Jay Hemdal]

I stay on 0,5 today, and he had more than yesterday... will see the next days. There are some white spots that are resistant to copper? Would it be ok if I had rally reef to the copper treatment, as rally reef seemed to have helped the fishes prior?

Marine ich has some variation in species throughout the world - but the differences between them seem more related to temperature and salinity. "Copper resistant ich" is sometimes mentioned, but I've not seen it myself, other than severe infections can take time to slow down and stop, especially with coppersafe or copper power.

Jay

 

[Superlightman]

i just tested my water again this mornng I was at 505 now 385! What can make the copper go down, the stones , the skimmer, the powerfilter?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

i just tested my water again this mornng I was at 505 now 385! What can make the copper go down, the stones , the skimmer, the powerfilter?

Skimmers don't remove much copper. If your power filter has a carbon bag in it, or other chemical media, that might remove some copper. Anything made of calcium - gravel, coral or rocks will tend to bind up copper. Ionic copper, like you are using tends to get bound up faster than amine-based coppers do.

Jay

 

[Superlightman]

I not have anything with carbon, could be the rock I don't know. Thank day the levels were fine but the fish as even more. Their is nothing else I can do to help him?
There is an alternative to coppersafe von fritz because here in Europe I can't find I or at crazy prices?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I not have anything with carbon, could be the rock I don't know. Thank day the levels were fine but the fish as even more. Their is nothing else I can do to help him?
There is an alternative to coppersafe von fritz because here in Europe I can't find I or at crazy prices?

Coppersafe is usually stable (maybe a 20% drop) over 30 days. Anything faster than that, and something is pulling the copper out.
If coppersafe is too pricey, you could try hyposalinity.

Jay

 

[Superlightman]

Coppersafe is usually stable (maybe a 20% drop) over 30 days. Anything faster than that, and something is pulling the copper out.
If coppersafe is too pricey, you could try hyposalinity.

Jay

OK thanks will try to keep the cupramine stable, but today again even if stable it increased again, can I add rally reef?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

OK thanks will try to keep the cupramine stable, but today again even if stable it increased again, can I add rally reef?

Increased? Do you mean it decreased?
Can you post a picture of the tank, maybe I can see what is removing the copper.

Ruby Reef Rally Pro is not going to be as strong as copper,

Jay

 

[Superlightman]

Increased? Do you mean it decreased?
Can you post a picture of the tank, maybe I can see what is removing the copper.

Ruby Reef Rally Pro is not going to be as strong as copper,

Jay

No sadly it increased ,ok I will take picture tomorrow

 

[sc50964]

No sadly it increased ,ok I will take picture tomorrow

Wow that means something is leaking back into the water

 

[Superlightman]

Wow that means something is leaking back into the water

Yes and will all I put those surviving fish in,it is strange

 

[Jay Hemdal]

No sadly it increased ,ok I will take picture tomorrow

O.K., so it is increasing and decreasing from test to test without you adding any copper or changing any water? Are you using the Hanna low range test? I’ve had some weird reports about that - some people complain of inaccurate results. You do need to be very careful to get all the reagent out when you run a test. Also, if you read the Hanna brochure/web page, it seems to indicate that the low range test is for freshwater - at least the high range kit mentions seawater, but the low range doesn’t.
Jay

 

[Superlightman]

Sorry I think we missunterstand us I mean the cooper level decrease I had to ad drops everyday to keep it stable, but the white spots on the fish increase

 

[Superlightman]

This is the quarantine tanks, just skimmer, power filter, pumps and stones. Maybe the fish as velvet, as he have so many spots? But he moves fast I could not take a picture were we can see it good. But copper not seems to help, he get more and more. And nobody answered me if I can add the rally reef to the cuppramine?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

This is the quarantine tanks, just skimmer, power filter, pumps and stones. Maybe the fish as velvet, as he have so many spots? But he moves fast I could not take a picture were we can see it good. But copper not seems to help, he get more and more. And nobody answered me if I can add the rally reef to the cuppramine?

Sorry - the fish are not close enough in the picture to evaluate. A side note - I worry about the small clownfish being in with that large triggerfish, it may not work out long term.

The Cupramine is dropping because you have calcareous rocks in the tank.

I have not used Rally Reef with Cupramine.

Jay

 

[Superlightman]

Here are the best shots I could get, on the pictures it seem as he not have to much but I real it is very impressive.
Should I remove the stones?
Trigger is safe with the clown fish I have him since over 15 years, he never touched any fish even if more small than the clown and they were already together since a while

 

[sc50964]

Sorry - the fish are not close enough in the picture to evaluate. A side note - I worry about the small clownfish being in with that large triggerfish, it may not work out long term.

The Cupramine is dropping because you have calcareous rocks in the tank.

I have not used Rally Reef with Cupramine.

Jay

Isn’t it more difficult to run a large QT like this?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Isn’t it more difficult to run a large QT like this?

Not sure I understand, a tank divider would help the trigger / clownfish issue.
I actually prefer larger quarantine systems - more fish can be handled with the same basic amount of work.

Jay

 

[Jay Hemdal]

sometimes, dynamics can change in bare quarantine tanks.

The tang does appear to still have ich. You need to get the copper up to a full, constant dose.

The rocks are pulling the copper, however you fish may be relying on those rocks to keep the ammonia level down. If not, then yes, you need to remove the rocks.

Jay

Here are the best shots I could get, on the pictures it seem as he not have to much but I real it is very impressive.
Should I remove the stones?
Trigger is safe with the clown fish I have him since over 15 years, he never touched any fish even if more small than the clown and they were already together since a while

 

[sc50964]

Not sure I understand, a tank divider would help the trigger / clownfish issue.
I actually prefer larger quarantine systems - more fish can be handled with the same basic amount of work.

Jay

I see. I was thinking about cleaning, changing water, and moving it.

 

[Alex.qld]

Hello and thanks for sharing the protocl
this is my 2nd run, this time with

-5 anthias
- 2 ocellaris
-1 lawnmower blenny

the tank is cycled and has plastic bioballs + 2 coarse sponges that were cycled in the DT
large airstone making plenty of bubbles

- using natural sea water
- now 22 days into the process
- first did 2 rounds of prazipro - no issues
- started copper power 7 days ago, ramping to 2.2 over 24 hours in 3 administrations
- fish had been happy, looking health and swimming around the water column, eating well, esp if feeding mysis - a bit less with pellets (expectedly)
- from day 5 of copper the anthias had been looking less and less happy, and swimming lower down
ammonia 0 to 0.5 (really hard to make the diff on these color charts) and copper 2.2
i made a 50% water change with water already at copper 2.2
they still look very unhappy, if not worse


blenny and ocellaris seem happy as before

i am considering
- continue and hope for the best
- following any suggestions
- stopping the process and changing to water w/o copper hoping they recover

see the video


what do you think ?

thanks

alexis