I don't think anyone is calling anyone out here. I think in your specific case antibacterial activity might be warranted. And the peroxide treatment was suggested with a huge asterisk/caveat that it was harsh and only one method
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That why I posted the disclaimer. It is terrible advice, that is more likely to hurt most corals than help. Good for Zoas and the like. Terrible for sps.I don't think anyone is calling anyone out here. I think in your specific case antibacterial activity might be warranted. And the peroxide treatment was suggested with a huge asterisk/caveat that it was harsh and only one method
Before I get another lecture, I do have a bacterial problem in the fish if not the coral (blue hippo tang keeps getting popeye too). I broke down after 3 fish died and a yellow tang was looking ill. All I could find that should not hurt the corals and may actually help with my issues is cipro. This is my first time using it. If you have an axe to grind about over use of antibiotics it’s not with me. - 14 years of reefing and this is the first time I’m treating with cipro.
For anyone reading this thread be very careful with hydrogen peroxide. That is terrible advise for many corals - for instance stylophora will die extremely quickly in a hydrogen peroxide dip.
Your work is amazing! Don't let one post frustrated you from helping the people who truly want it.Wow. None of my concerns regarding antibiotics were directed at you. My concern was at seeing post-after-post across multie boards, where antibiotics are one of the first suggestions from other folks, without even considering asking about tank parameters.
And... wow. I gave options on your specific plate, which is an LPS. Never did I give that advice for across the board all-corals. You had a problem and I tried to give you options to save your dying coral of 12 years. Yes, hydrogen peroxide does not play well with sps. But this is a thread about your specific coral.
So much for trying to help someone. I'll go back to rehabilitating corals.
Good luck. Maybe take a deep breath. I hope your coral and fish recover.
Elevate it a little. Presence of snails is not helping this coral.Not looking good. Any tips on creating a mother colony? I’m pretty sure this one is toast as is. I would consider fragging it to see if I could save part, but it’s thick and all I have for fragging is a dremmel tool.
Getting excessive especially with cipro. The sudden miracle drug- I use no meds and 30+ years back, we had none of these and did just fine with tank management.Wow. None of my concerns regarding antibiotics were directed at you. My concern was at seeing post-after-post across multie boards, where antibiotics are one of the first suggestions from other folks, without even considering asking about tank parameters.
And... wow. I gave options on your specific plate, which is an LPS. Never did I give that advice for across the board all-corals. You had a problem and I tried to give you options to save your dying coral of 12 years. Yes, hydrogen peroxide does not play well with sps. But this is a thread about your specific coral.
So much for trying to help someone. I'll go back to rehabilitating corals.
Good luck. Maybe take a deep breath. I hope your coral and fish recover.
Thanks. Best of luck in your coral rehabs, it appears you’ve had some great success!Wow. None of my concerns regarding antibiotics were directed at you. My concern was at seeing post-after-post across multie boards, where antibiotics are one of the first suggestions from other folks, without even considering asking about tank parameters.
And... wow. I gave options on your specific plate, which is an LPS. Never did I give that advice for across the board all-corals. You had a problem and I tried to give you options to save your dying coral of 12 years. Yes, hydrogen peroxide does not play well with sps. But this is a thread about your specific coral.
So much for trying to help someone. I'll go back to rehabilitating corals.
Good luck. Maybe take a deep breath. I hope your coral and fish recover.
No nothing that I’m aware of. I don’t test Nitrate or phos. If algae grows I put in phosban and do a couple bigger water changes to reduce nutrients. Last time this happened was over the summer while I was neglecting my tank due to work, funerals, etc.Elevate it a little. Presence of snails is not helping this coral.
Did you change light or water flow recently?
Assure you are in the following ranges:
- Temperature: 78º – 80º Fahrenheit
- Salinity: 31-35 ppt or Specific Gravity 1.024 – 1.026 sg
- Nitrate: < 10 ppm – Can be toxic to livestock if too high
- PH: between 8.1 and 8.3
- Phosphate: < .08ppm
- Calcium: 400-440 ppm
- Alkalinity: between 8 and 9.5 dKH
- Magnesium: 1280-1350 ppm
Is there any way to positively determine if it’s a bacteria and which one? Are there any labs that do cultures? Turnaround would have to be quick to be useful. I don’t think I’m up to culturing it myself though.Some possible causes are:
- Sudden change in alkalinity.
- A drastic change in salinity.
- Consistently low alkalinity levels.
- Temperature swings, up or down.
- Bacteria such as Philaster Guamense
- High nitrate
Microscope and for your parameters- What test kits are you using ?No nothing that I’m aware of. I don’t test Nitrate or phos. If algae grows I put in phosban and do a couple bigger water changes to reduce nutrients. Last time this happened was over the summer while I was neglecting my tank due to work, funerals, etc.
For the first 10 years I had it I didn’t do anything but water changes (20% every 2 weeks) The last couple years I’ve added 2 part dosing. Alk and pH are as stable as they’ve ever been - 8-8.3 day night swing (we breath too much lol) nothing out of line in the apex history -salinity held stable by ATO, water changes are small - automated every 15 minutes thru dos. pH fairly stable, orp has been weird lately due to feeding AB+ also a recent addition -not sure I’m going to continue feeding. Doesn’t seem necessary with fish in the system.
Is there any way to positively determine if it’s a bacteria and which one? Are there any labs that do cultures? Turnaround would have to be quick to be useful. I don’t think I’m up to culturing it myself though.
Just the Neptune apex and it’s included probes (ph, orp, temp, salinity run constantly) + trident(alk -4tests per day, ca,mg - 2 tests per day). pH, salinity Calibrated about a 2 months ago, trident 2 weeks ago.Microscope and for your parameters- What test kits are you using ?
Yes. All the tissue came off completely. I put it in the back of the tank where it still got light and flow but I have no idea how much. About 3 months later I noticed some dots of Orange when my blue lights would come on. But as someone else said, it takes a long time from that point. A year later I have probably 10 that are the size of a pencil eraser. Finally getting bigger though.Did all the tissue on the mother colony go away before the babies popped up? Or was there a little tissue let where they started? I find this fascinating
That’s encouraging! I’ve got a few more decades in me (hopefully) so I’m not in any rush. It can just stay where it’s at. I’d love to watch the full development arc. I’m curious how much they move once they pop off the mother colony on their own, amongst other things.Yes. All the tissue came off completely. I put it in the back of the tank where it still got light and flow but I have no idea how much. About 3 months later I noticed some dots of Orange when my blue lights would come on. But as someone else said, it takes a long time from that point. A year later I have probably 10 that are the size of a pencil eraser. Finally getting bigger though.
Thank you. Multiple issues it turns out. The main problem I suspect is Mobius. I had an older radion burn out and had to switch from apex running the lights to the mobius app. Figured out I was running the lights at 25% instead of the normal 50% for nearly a year. Par was under 100 across most of the tank. I’m raising it slowly back up to around 200 par in the mid levels. As I’ve increased the light my alk consumption has shot thru the roof (getting growth again) and so far no more coral death. I suppose the coral was getting weak due to lack of light and would get over run by something very closely resembling bjd at the end.Willing to try helping again, if acceptable....
Recommend testing your nitrate and phosphates. Dosing MB7 can address nitrate and phosphate, depending on a lot of factors (including carbon sources).
Many marine issues are multifactorial. Corals are excellent at fighting off various bacteria, but they can lose that fight when the environment is off.
If you're dosing MB7 then losing corals, then I'd suggest looking at your nutrients. An imbalance can certainly provide an environment for issues.
You may be able to send a sample out for microbe lab testing, but I caution again that just because "bad" bacteria are present doesn't mean they're the cause. They likely need a compromised host or environment as well.
And if you know what bacteria it is (assuming it is a bacteria), cipro is one of the most available and encompassing treatments I'm tracking. There are various antibiotics for more targeted treatments, but many of these require prescriptions and/or are untested in aquaria.
I'd look at nutrients.