Thoughts on Pyramid Butterflyfish, are they worth it?

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Are Pyramid Butterflyfishes Right for your tank?
2020-09-30 stevenliu9

Thank you for joining me today on this discussion! Steven here.
Love to chat about Pyramid butterfly fish with everyone. Have you had them? Are they on your stock list?
What are your experiences with them?

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Currently the butterflyfish family consists of three main groups divided into 12 genus. At one point the butterflyfish were all considered part of the angelfish family. Overtime scientists separated the two by a very specific feature- the gill spine. Those with the spine remained within the angelfish family, and those without, are migrated into the butterflyfish family.

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Gill spine illustrated here on a blueface angel

With the exception of those in the genus genicanthus, almost all angelfishes are labeled as “NOT reef safe” as their varied diet may include many crustaceans, soft or large polyps stony corals, or even sometimes small polyp stony corals. That said, many hobbyists have success keeping angelfish in mixed reef tank with very minimal harm to their corals and inverts.

Butterfly fish on the other hand, are almost all guaranteed to nip at your precious corals and pick on inverts. Except for one- the pyramid butterflyfish.

The pyramid butterfly fish, hemithaurichthys comes in two different color morphs, the species zoster has the black head and tail with a silver mid portion, while the polylepis has the yellow head (some had darker head than others) and tail with silver mid portion. Both are model citizens of the reef top since they are primarily planktivores.

species_dd_57bbf89812671.w1300.h866_1024x1024.jpg

The yellow pyramid butterflyfish. Depends on mood, physical condition, and geographic origin, some may have darker face than others.

I first fell in love with this fish when I snorkeled in Hawaii. In my opinion, the pyramid butterflyfish is the #3 symbolic Hawaiian reef fish behind the yellow tang and potter’s angelfish. They are slick in body shape, beautifully bright, has great personality and can be kept in groups in aquarium. They are peaceful. Most fishes will ignore them and they will not start wars with others. Easy to feed and maintain. And like I said, reef safe in my personal experience. As you can see in my video, I have two currently living in my sps farm tank.

OK maybe they aren’t 100% reef safe depends on what kind of coral. The truth is, my intention of getting them in the first place was hoping they’d clear up my pulsing xenia in the tank. I have heard legends of pyramid butterflyfish eating pulsing xenia (but won’t touch anything else). Turns out, the ones I have won’t even touch xenia. (If you know of another fish that won’t touch SPS, LPS, but will happily devour xenia, please leave comment and let me know).

One caveat about these fish- I have had multiple pyramid buterflyfish shipments arriving with damaged head/mouth area. And unfortunately once there is damage around their mouth it seems to be a one way ticket to the graveyard with nothing to remedy it. I am not certain if they just don’t ship well, or perhaps some kind of disease (fortunately I quarantine all my fish). But if you have similar experience with your fish on rotten mouth/head from shipment, please leave a comment and share your wisdom.

So are pyramid butterflyfish right for your tank? Personally I would highly recommend them. For as long as you have enough room in your tank. I won’t comment what size I think is enough for them because I don’t want to start wars, but I will urge everyone to use best judgement from the humane stand point of view. And in case you don’t already have a cover for your tank, won’t be a bad idea to get one because they can and will jump when startled (which is easily). Once I simply sat up from my chair and even that movement was enough to make them jump.

I have also heard some fellow reefers raised the issue of internal parasites with these fish. Personally I quarantine my fish so I have not encountered that issue. But if you have had experience dealing with it and believe they are more prone to parasite than others, please leave a comments to share your thoughts.

They eat like pigs and really aren’t picky at all. They are peaceful, for the most part reef safe, and can be kept in groups. If room allows, you should definitely consider getting multiples as multiples of fish in this size aren’t usually common (you can’t do that with most angels or tangs, unless you have a massive tank).

Happy to hear everyone’s opinion and experiences with this gorgeous fish!
 

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Hate to be negative, but I had 3 LFSs on the hunt to find me 3 Pyramids. 2 were located, they looked/swam right, so I told them. The first one went downhill fast and I used fairly heroic efforts to save it. It didn’t make it. The surviving one went into the DT but refused to thrive. By the end it developed some odd translucent areas (someone else in a recent thread discussed the same, with photos), and scales became frayed in places. The fish got sicker and could not be helped, even back in a QT. Beautiful fish if they stay healthy, I guess is the bottom line. I has much better success with a beautiful Pearlscale — but I realize the ‘reef safe’ draw to Pyramids.
 
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Hate to be negative, but I had 3 LFSs on the hunt to find me 3 Pyramids. 2 were located, they looked/swam right, so I told them. The first one went downhill fast and I used fairly heroic efforts to save it. It didn’t make it. The surviving one went into the DT but refused to thrive. By the end it developed some odd translucent areas (someone else in a recent thread discussed the same, with photos), and scales became frayed in places. The fish got sicker and could not be helped, even back in a QT. Beautiful fish if they stay healthy, I guess is the bottom line. I has much better success with a beautiful Pearlscale — but I realize the ‘reef safe’ draw to Pyramids.
Sorry to hear your experience mate. that really sucked both for you and the fishes. Do you recall what was the specific issue they had? was it parasite? injuries, or other diseases? I am asking just because I feel the more you can share, the more you may help inform others who may be interested and prepare for what they might have on hand.
Thank you for sharing
 

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I've had one for 3 or 4 years now. In an older, smaller tank it was a canary in the coalmine for water parameters. Mostly, if I looked wrong it would get a little case of ich. Since then I moved everything to a larger tank which included QT and letting everything in the old tank go fallow before the move and he has been healthy ever since. Does not seem to be aggressive towards tangs or anyone else. I have not seen him pick on coral or clam. I have not seen him pick on shrimp either, but I also have not seen my shrimp in a long time.
 

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This is the member's photo from the post "Silvery scales on pyramid butterflies" here on r2R if you want to check it out. It shows what I was talking about with mine. Per fresh water dip (twice along the way) I ruled out flukes; definitely nothing Copper would help with, nor General Cure, nor even Methylene Blue baths. I'm sure I tried other things along the way. :confused: That's why the best I can say is that it "failed to thrive"-- as you can see the general 'unhealthy' look in the photo. Hope things with yours goes well-- I know Mr. Saltwater Tanks has some long-term in his tank/videos.
 
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I've had one for 3 or 4 years now. In an older, smaller tank it was a canary in the coalmine for water parameters. Mostly, if I looked wrong it would get a little case of ich. Since then I moved everything to a larger tank which included QT and letting everything in the old tank go fallow before the move and he has been healthy ever since. Does not seem to be aggressive towards tangs or anyone else. I have not seen him pick on coral or clam. I have not seen him pick on shrimp either, but I also have not seen my shrimp in a long time.
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This is the member's photo from the post "Silvery scales on pyramid butterflies" here on r2R if you want to check it out. It shows what I was talking about with mine. Per fresh water dip (twice along the way) I ruled out flukes; definitely nothing Copper would help with, nor General Cure, nor even Methylene Blue baths. I'm sure I tried other things along the way. :confused: That's why the best I can say is that it "failed to thrive"-- as you can see the general 'unhealthy' look in the photo. Hope things with yours goes well-- I know Mr. Saltwater Tanks has some long-term in his tank/videos.
Thank you so much for sharing. It's ashame such beautiful fish can come with some mysterious issues. The only problem I've ever had with them in the past was if they are wounded during shipment they can never recover. But for as long as they arrive my tank without a scratch they've always done well for me.
 

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I’d say the hardiest butterflies are these and the Heniochus (except the brown varieties), maybe the Barberfish too but does anyone have them? Genus Chaetodon’s a mixed bag but many are not suited for captivity. Forcipigier, Chelmon, Chelmonops are a mixed bag too. Not sure about Coradillon.

Fortunately my fave butterflies are the Zoster, Pyramid, and the Heniochus varieties other than the brown ones. Longfin, Schooling, Masked, Singular, Red Sea Bannerfish. If I get a first floor apartment that’s large enough, someday...... I’ll have a small group of Pyramids.
 

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Are Pyramid Butterflyfishes Right for your tank?
2020-09-30 stevenliu9

Thank you for joining me today on this discussion! Steven here.
Love to chat about Pyramid butterfly fish with everyone. Have you had them? Are they on your stock list?
What are your experiences with them?

Please feel free to skip the reading if you prefer watching video:


Currently the butterflyfish family consists of three main groups divided into 12 genus. At one point the butterflyfish were all considered part of the angelfish family. Overtime scientists separated the two by a very specific feature- the gill spine. Those with the spine remained within the angelfish family, and those without, are migrated into the butterflyfish family.

15324909443_914df9ca49_z-copy.jpg

Gill spine illustrated here on a blueface angel

With the exception of those in the genus genicanthus, almost all angelfishes are labeled as “NOT reef safe” as their varied diet may include many crustaceans, soft or large polyps stony corals, or even sometimes small polyp stony corals. That said, many hobbyists have success keeping angelfish in mixed reef tank with very minimal harm to their corals and inverts.

Butterfly fish on the other hand, are almost all guaranteed to nip at your precious corals and pick on inverts. Except for one- the pyramid butterflyfish.

The pyramid butterfly fish, hemithaurichthys comes in two different color morphs, the species zoster has the black head and tail with a silver mid portion, while the polylepis has the yellow head (some had darker head than others) and tail with silver mid portion. Both are model citizens of the reef top since they are primarily planktivores.

species_dd_57bbf89812671.w1300.h866_1024x1024.jpg

The yellow pyramid butterflyfish. Depends on mood, physical condition, and geographic origin, some may have darker face than others.

I first fell in love with this fish when I snorkeled in Hawaii. In my opinion, the pyramid butterflyfish is the #3 symbolic Hawaiian reef fish behind the yellow tang and potter’s angelfish. They are slick in body shape, beautifully bright, has great personality and can be kept in groups in aquarium. They are peaceful. Most fishes will ignore them and they will not start wars with others. Easy to feed and maintain. And like I said, reef safe in my personal experience. As you can see in my video, I have two currently living in my sps farm tank.

OK maybe they aren’t 100% reef safe depends on what kind of coral. The truth is, my intention of getting them in the first place was hoping they’d clear up my pulsing xenia in the tank. I have heard legends of pyramid butterflyfish eating pulsing xenia (but won’t touch anything else). Turns out, the ones I have won’t even touch xenia. (If you know of another fish that won’t touch SPS, LPS, but will happily devour xenia, please leave comment and let me know).

One caveat about these fish- I have had multiple pyramid buterflyfish shipments arriving with damaged head/mouth area. And unfortunately once there is damage around their mouth it seems to be a one way ticket to the graveyard with nothing to remedy it. I am not certain if they just don’t ship well, or perhaps some kind of disease (fortunately I quarantine all my fish). But if you have similar experience with your fish on rotten mouth/head from shipment, please leave a comment and share your wisdom.

So are pyramid butterflyfish right for your tank? Personally I would highly recommend them. For as long as you have enough room in your tank. I won’t comment what size I think is enough for them because I don’t want to start wars, but I will urge everyone to use best judgement from the humane stand point of view. And in case you don’t already have a cover for your tank, won’t be a bad idea to get one because they can and will jump when startled (which is easily). Once I simply sat up from my chair and even that movement was enough to make them jump.

I have also heard some fellow reefers raised the issue of internal parasites with these fish. Personally I quarantine my fish so I have not encountered that issue. But if you have had experience dealing with it and believe they are more prone to parasite than others, please leave a comments to share your thoughts.

They eat like pigs and really aren’t picky at all. They are peaceful, for the most part reef safe, and can be kept in groups. If room allows, you should definitely consider getting multiples as multiples of fish in this size aren’t usually common (you can’t do that with most angels or tangs, unless you have a massive tank).

Happy to hear everyone’s opinion and experiences with this gorgeous fish!

Very nice Steven. Very informative. Consider convert this into an article instead of a thread. It essentially already an "article"
 
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Very nice Steven. Very informative. Consider convert this into an article instead of a thread. It essentially already an "article"
Thank you! I did consider, but I am not sure how to, am I allowed to contribute in the article section?
 

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Thank you! I did consider, but I am not sure how to, am I allowed to contribute in the article section?
You should contact one of the Mod to help you out. I think you can post on the Articles section on the website also.
 

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These guys have gotten very pricey !!
Went from $30 to $80 in no time flat
 
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These guys have gotten very pricey !!
Went from $30 to $80 in no time flat
I feel everything has gotten pricy over the last two years. Well, what used to be pricy remained pricy, but what used to be bread and butter are now filet mignon price. Especially anything that could have been caught from Hawaii due to policy changes- which I have mixed feelings on. Also I think COVID doesn't help. What used to happen is that a lot of the international express shipping will tag along commercial jet planes. The logistic companies will "book" a certain amount of cargo space on, say Malaysia airlines to ship corals from Malaysia to LAX (among other things). But because of COVID many of the commercial airliners are cutting back on their routs or flight cadences and making the limited cargo space extremely premium. Personally what I truly hope is that COVID will stimulate researchers and aquaculture farms to expand their ability to captive breed even more species to make this hobby both more sustainable, but also less reliant on international middleman.
 

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One thing pyramids are known for (in addition to the mouth damage issue) is Neobenedenia fluke infestations. In fact, when I’m quarantining a big group of fish, I use pyramids as my “canary in a coal mine’ for screening for Neo.
Jay
 
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One thing pyramids are known for (in addition to the mouth damage issue) is Neobenedenia fluke infestations. In fact, when I’m quarantining a big group of fish, I use pyramids as my “canary in a coal mine’ for screening for Neo.
Jay
interesting, so do you have a pyramid permanently living in the QT?
 

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