Bolus dosing

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

As I stated - Standard balling V bolus method dosing.

You can see it in the graph I posted.

I swapped from normal all day balling dosing to bolus and the pH gradually went up.






Also, I’ve just looked at the alk graphs. After dosing the bolus, the Alk does not shoot up. Only the pH does…..

Don’t ask me why. It’s just what the apex shows. But I was testing at 12pm and 8 pm.

I don’t believe a gradual effect can be attributed to this change. Almost no pH effects build day after day.

Alk will shoot up instantly, if the product is bicarbonate, no matter what you observed, but testing before and after dosing is the only way to test that.

 

[Mo.]

I don’t believe a gradual effect can be attributed to this change. Almost no pH effects build day after day.

Alk will shoot up instantly, if the product is bicarbonate, no matter what you observed, but testing before and after dosing is the only way to test that.

Randy- it’s there taken straight off my apex! The only difference is swapping standard balling for bolus dosing. In these trends. Nothing else was changed.

No light change.
No water change
No GFO running
No carbon
Ozone and uv not changed
No Algae bed
Same skimmer

There was no other difference and I have done this several times over the last 9 months with similar trends.

This is the first time I have taken the readings off my Apex and screen shotted them for you.


I chose a date where there were 5 All readings taken that day. One was just before dosing and one just after. Another at end of main light period.

What more do you need? The graphs are there in front of you.

The pH reading is continuous.

 

[Mo.]

I’m not asking whether this happened or not. It happened, but I can’t explain it
And maybe not can you then?

 

[GARRIGA]

If your nutrients are higher than you want.

And/Or want co2 removed with latter being mostly why I use it although nitrate and phosphate removal means no need for carbon dosing.

 

[Mo.]

And/Or want co2 removed with latter being mostly why I use it although nitrate and phosphate removal means no need for carbon dosing.

Yes, but removing ambient co2 in the room might be better if you don’t have a nutrient issue. But definitely reverse lit fuge can be useful….

Have you got an ambient co2 monitor? They’re pretty useful.

 

[GARRIGA]

Yes, but removing ambient co2 in the room might be better if you don’t have a nutrient issue. But definitely reverse lit fuge can be useful….

Have you got an ambient co2 monitor? They’re pretty useful.

Airtight Florida house and I've already inquired about an air exchange when upgrading AC but wasn't an option but might still be later although at a rather high cost.

No need for a monitor although might get one just to confirm what I suspect. Running a Fuge got my pH higher and I've seen how it goes up when less people around. Added Kalk which took alkalinity up 5 dkh and only moved pH 0.2. Tons of co2 trapped in my house with no way to resolve at the moment yet Fuge does and plans on main to run 24/7 pegged off pH having controller turn the lights off once max desired reached. Set and forget. Nutrient reduction being a nice addition.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Randy- it’s there taken straight off my apex! The only difference is swapping standard balling for bolus dosing. In these trends. Nothing else was changed.

No light change.
No water change
No GFO running
No carbon
Ozone and uv not changed
No Algae bed
Same skimmer

There was no other difference and I have done this several times over the last 9 months with similar trends.

This is the first time I have taken the readings off my Apex and screen shotted them for you.


I chose a date where there were 5 All readings taken that day. One was just before dosing and one just after. Another at end of main light period.

What more do you need? The graphs are there in front of you.

The pH reading is continuous.

Compare one day to the very next day when you switched dosing schemes. Anything longer will allow other changes to dominate, especially CO2 in the home, which changes by temp, wind, people around, etc.

Looking at effects that build for more than 2 days are due to other factors.

Ideally, switch, then switch back.

Which post number has the graphs?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

As for other companies distancing themselves- that’s probably competing interests no?!

I was alerted to these claims from a chemist at another company who has no competing alk product.

 

[Garf]

It happened

You could also try it with normal bicarb and report back.

 

[Mo.]

Compare one day to the very next day when you switched dosing schemes. Anything longer will allow other changes to dominate, especially CO2 in the home, which changes by temp, wind, people around, etc.

Looking at effects that build for more than 2 days are due to other factors.

Ideally, switch, then switch back.

Which post number has the graphs?

As I said switch and switch back has been done.

The graphs are in this post

Bolus dosing

Yes. I knew if I spoke up on this thread, I would get accused of being on the payroll. I didn't say that at all nor implied that. Please do not put words in my mouth. My foot is there more often than not but that isn't fair. The reason why I pointed that out is because I found it...

www.reef2reef.com

This effect is real. It just needs an explanation.

 

[Mo.]

You could also try it with normal bicarb and report back.

Or maybe you could, so we have lots of independent observers?

Cheers
Mo

 

[Garf]

Or maybe you could, so we have lots of independent observers?

Cheers
Mo

Lol, I'm not ditching my kalk just because a few blokes say it's evil.

 

[DutchReefer420]

Lol, I'm not ditching my kalk just because a few blokes say it's evil.

so why are you here?
seems like your not interested in the methode..

you dont have any thing usefull to contribute to this thread so far beside trying to debunk something you dont understand just like 90% of the reactions in this thread!

 

[Mo.]

Lol, I'm not ditching my kalk just because a few blokes say it's evil.

lol. Fair enough. I’m using kalk at the moment too.

Bolus works though. It’s not new, but the observations are, mainly because we have the monitors to show it now…. It will all come out in the wash. If the observations are true, more and more people will see it…. Balling is very popular, so there will be no harm in using this way rather than the traditional way.

 

[DutchReefer420]

Randy- it’s there taken straight off my apex! The only difference is swapping standard balling for bolus dosing. In these trends. Nothing else was changed.

No light change.
No water change
No GFO running
No carbon
Ozone and uv not changed
No Algae bed
Same skimmer

There was no other difference and I have done this several times over the last 9 months with similar trends.

This is the first time I have taken the readings off my Apex and screen shotted them for you.


I chose a date where there were 5 All readings taken that day. One was just before dosing and one just after. Another at end of main light period.

What more do you need? The graphs are there in front of you.

The pH reading is continuous.

I'm still getting the exact same results as @Mo had observed.

and also still not able to explain why as no one is on this forum apperently..

 

[Garf]

so why are you here?

To learn, obviously. Unfortunately I'm still waiting for any evidence of the positive effects spouted by Claude and Doug.

seems like your not interested in the method

You may be confusing "interested" with "a believer"

you dont have any thing usefull to contribute to this thread so far beside trying to debunk something you dont understand just like 90% of the reactions in this thread!

As previous, a chemically unsound claim should be questioned. Please provide any evidence you have that "bolus" provides disease resistance, better colouration, accelerated growth, as claimed by the two blokes. I guess if you can't provide evidence, you are excluding yourself from this thread as you are not adding anything useful?

 

[Garf]

I'm still getting the exact same results as @Mo had observed.

So things aren't dying? Is that it?

 

[Mo.]

So things aren't dying? Is that it?

Garf- behave yourself!

You have seen results from my last tank.
My new tank is coming along the same lines.

The claims I heard about were the pH and Alk stability changes.

I tried it and surprisingly found the same!
I have shown you graphs, which support what I say.

I am independent, but no doubt you won’t believe that.

Bury your head in the sand- no problem!

I’m still looking for why the graphs I posted from my apex look like that.

It has nothing to do with change in conditions-
Opening doors, opening windows. Weather changes, droughts or any of that. I am educated enough to know about those confounding variables and they are as stable as any other aquarium during the time I was running bolus- multiple times on and off. what I have seen is genuine.

Saying it can’t happen due to bolus is BS.

The next step is either explain it, or do the method yourselves and see for yourselves and then try and explain it.

Saying it doesn’t happen is burying your heads in the sand.

Trying to argue against it without first hand experience when you’re doubting it is weak science. Put your text books down and open your eyes the reefing scene keeps moving on….

What’s your evidence that kalk produces better growth. Colours etc than another method. It’s very difficult to prove, so just look at the observations of Alk and pH from bolus and at least explain that. The rest is a different story.

Cheers
Mo

 

[danimal1211]

As I said switch and switch back has been done.

The graphs are in this post

Bolus dosing

Yes. I knew if I spoke up on this thread, I would get accused of being on the payroll. I didn't say that at all nor implied that. Please do not put words in my mouth. My foot is there more often than not but that isn't fair. The reason why I pointed that out is because I found it...

www.reef2reef.com

This effect is real. It just needs an explanation.

I must be missing something here but I don’t see what was described in the video which was stable alk throughout the day. That claim was also made earlier in this thread and has not yet been demonstrated. What I see is a spike at the beginning of the day (when bolus is dosed) followed by decline in alk with the majority being used during the photo period.
That is what would be expected regardless of what chemical used for dosing (not considering ph). It is not, in my interpretation, what was claimed to happen in the video.
I for example dose sodium hydroxide at night. I test at the same time every morning (after final dose before lights on). I get a stable number each day I test. I don’t have an alk monitor, but I have zero doubt my graph would look very similar to yours up until my first dose at 1am. That graph would then show a gradual increase up until my final dose at 6am.
Fantastic claims require fantastic results. I don’t see anything fantastic here.

 

[Garf]

You have seen results from my last tank.

Yes, I do like to do my homework. However, I can't remember everything, lol. Was that the kalk tank?