Clown has ich or velvet? What happened here. How to exterminate this parasite in the tank?

[Arose231]

I recently had an ich or velvet outbreak in tank of 75 gallons. Most of the fish died. Porcupine puffer is still alive and healthy so is the snowflake eel and inverts 2 shrimp 2 starfish. Is this ich or velvet and how to get rid of it?


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[ISpeakForTheSeas]

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[Arose231]

Ich or velvet and how to destroy it for good.

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Ich or velvet and how to destroy it for good.

So sorry of the slow response! I'm guessing late stage ich, but let's see what the #fishmedic say. If it is ich, you would want to treat all the fish in a quarantine tank with Coppersafe or Copper Power at 2.0-2.5 ppm.

 

[Arose231]

Yes i have all my other fish in the QT besides my porcupine puffer and snowflake eel. It seems they are immune to the ich. Eels are very hardy and the puffers poisonous spikes kill of the ich i believe. Rest is inverts 3 shrimp and 2 starfish all still doing good. Have added ich X SW to the main display.

 

[Arose231]

was wondering if transfer main dis play tank water to tote and put the puffer eel and inverts in there for the mean time then fill the tank with hot tap freshwater would kill all the parasites within in a day? Seems like it would work

 

[Sharkbait19]

Pufferfish are not immune to ich - their toxin will have no effect on the parasite. Being scaleless, they tend to show (and succumb) to infection earlier than other fish. It can (and should) be treated along with the other fish.
Eels are generally disease resistant, but can still be carriers. Due to sensitivity to meds, the best thing to do is leave it in an isolated system for the full fallow.
The picture of the clown looks like late ich to me. The best form of treatment is coppersafe or copper power in a qt for 30 days and leaving the display tank fishless for at least 60 days.
Inverts cannot be infected by ich, so there is no need to move them.

 

[Arose231]

So that’s why the puffer doesn’t have ich on it because it is scaleless like the snowflake eel. Was wondering if could transfer all the tank water to tote then fill the tank with fresh tap water and it would kill all the ich in a day. Here are some more pictures puffer is still 100% healthy. There is ich sitting on the glass and tidal filter.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Ich doesn’t visibly sit on glass or filters. It has a resting stage where it is inactive on substrate, but it’s microscopic. What you’re seeing is probably spirobid worms or detritus (or similar).
When ich is seen on the fish, what you are seeing is mucus in response to the parasite.
You will see ich on the puffer, but it’s possible it’s just not infected yet.
Ich can last surprisingly long in freshwater, but it will eventually die. It’s really not worth filling the tank with freshwater though as you’ll kill any invertebrate life. If those are transferred out there’s a chance that the ich is sitting on them. The most practical method is to fallow the tank.

 

[Arose231]

Ich doesn’t visibly sit on glass or filters. It has a resting stage where it is inactive on substrate, but it’s microscopic. What you’re seeing is probably spirobid worms or detritus (or similar).
When ich is seen on the fish, what you are seeing is mucus in response to the parasite.
You will see ich on the puffer, but it’s possible it’s just not infected yet.
Ich can last surprisingly long in freshwater, but it will eventually die. It’s really not worth filling the tank with freshwater though as you’ll kill any invertebrate life. If those are transferred out there’s a chance that the ich is sitting on them. The most practical method is to fallow the ta

 

[Arose231]

Yea so the best bet is to raise the temperature and wait around 6 weeks before putting the fish back in. But the ich is still visible?? can still see it sitting on the starfish

 

[Sharkbait19]

You’re seeing sand on the starfish - not ich.
Being invertebrates, starfish are unable to je infected with ich. It’s said (though not fully known) that ich can’t even rest on echinoderms.
6 weeks is too short - that’s more for velvet. 60 days is the minimum. There really isn’t a need to raise the temperature in this case.

 

[Arose231]

It is not sand as the particles are moving on the starfish

You’re seeing sand on the starfish - not ich.
Being invertebrates, starfish are unable to je infected with ich. It’s said (though not fully known) that ich can’t even rest on echinoderms.
6 weeks is too short - that’s more for velvet. 60 days is the minimum. There really isn’t a need to raise the temperature in this case.

 

[Sharkbait19]

It could be copepods or amphipods. Ich isn’t going to move (and won’t ever be on a starfish). When ich spots are described as “moving” it is because the spots change location on the fish as some drops off and new parasites attach.