Regal Angel eating

[TheWhiteFord]

What is strange to me is that the marks that were on his side have disappeared. The fin spots which i think is lympho seems to be common in angels that has just been in copper. Nyaquatic had him for 6 weeks in 18ppm copper so if it is lympho it would make sense. The white spots around his mouth are the only thing that concerns me, I would agree that it is bacterial but I just don’t know if it is worth the stress to him to catch him and try to treat him with antibiotics or to take the gamble and see if it heals on its own.

 

[C_AWOL]

I personally would suggest doing so since if the fish itself isn't displaying any interest in anything (grazing counts!) then it will pass regardless.
#fishmedic might have a differing opinion however so I would suggest waiting to see if their opinion matches mine.

 

[Goaway]

Perhaps sheen may be an incorrect statement but those blotches are not normal in my opinion.
In this photo you can see what seems to be some sort of bacterial infection? If the fish isn't showing remote interest in anything (particularly grazing since it's in a display and not a qt) then it may pass unfortunately due to complications from something else.

@Jay Hemdal

No idea why you haven't gotten any help yet.

 

[C_AWOL]

What is strange to me is that the marks that were on his side have disappeared. The fin spots which i think is lympho seems to be common in angels that has just been in copper. Nyaquatic had him for 6 weeks in 18ppm copper so if it is lympho it would make sense. The white spots around his mouth are the only thing that concerns me, I would agree that it is bacterial but I just don’t know if it is worth the stress to him to catch him and try to treat him with antibiotics or to take the gamble and see if it heals on its own.

Are you certain that it was 18ppm and not 1.8? from the 2 formulations I use, .5ppm (cupramine) and 2.5ppm (copper power) were the concentrations suggested for ich+velvet.

Edit: keep in mind that copper to my knowledge doesn't cure bacterial diseases.

 

[TheWhiteFord]

Are you certain that it was 18ppm and not 1.8? from the 2 formulations I use, .5ppm (cupramine) and 2.5ppm (copper power) were the concentrations suggested for ich+velvet.

Edit: keep in mind that copper to my knowledge doesn't cure bacterial diseases.

1.8 i did mistype sorry. I do know the copper doesn’t cure bacterial infections. I was only commenting on the fact that it can cause lymphoma in angels

 

[TheWhiteFord]

I personally would suggest doing so since if the fish itself isn't displaying any interest in anything (grazing counts!) then it will pass regardless.
#fishmedic might have a differing opinion however so I would suggest waiting to see if their opinion matches mine.

Okay i should have time to set up my qt tomorrow and start treating him.

 

[TheWhiteFord]

@Humblefish or anyone else with experience using antibiotics I could really use some guidance in what antibiotic I should be using here

 

[C_AWOL]

If that is infact lympho then frankly no medicine to my knowledge will work on it (you might even be better off leaving the fish in the display). Location wise, it checks out (the mouth, is among one of the common locations but I usually see it on the fins first) but looks wise, it doesn't seem to check out to me based on the 3 photos I can see it in (Now that I check more closely, physical trauma might be a possibility?)
My experience with lympho is that under non severe cases, the fish will still exhibit a good appetite if nothing else is causing an issue (such as harassment/other stressors/obstruction of the mouth)

I would suggest a combo of nitrofurazone+kanamycin if you want to cover a broad base (if confirmed as bacterial only) but keep in mind that the regal may still not resume eating if there is other underlying problems (not to mention medication can be a stressful event).

Once again, I do suggest waiting on others opinions if possible before making a decision in this particular situation.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

@Humblefish or anyone else with experience using antibiotics I could really use some guidance in what antibiotic I should be using here

I just reviewed this thread. the mouth lesion looks like shipping damage, or the fish ran into something in your tank while it was "settling in". Regals (and many other fish) will go off feed if they have mouth damage. I don't see any signs of infection though - look for the mouth lesion growing larger, turning red, or showing gradually eroding tissue. It may well end up being a race between the mouth damage healing enough for the fish to start feeding again, and starvation.

I know you want to "do something" to help it, but moving it to a treatment tank, with no clear sign of infection, could just compound the damage and the new, probably smaller, bare tank will make the angel even less inclined to feed.

 

[TheWhiteFord]

I just reviewed this thread. the mouth lesion looks like shipping damage, or the fish ran into something in your tank while it was "settling in". Regals (and many other fish) will go off feed if they have mouth damage. I don't see any signs of infection though - look for the mouth lesion growing larger, turning red, or showing gradually eroding tissue. It may well end up being a race between the mouth damage healing enough for the fish to start feeding again, and starvation.

I know you want to "do something" to help it, but moving it to a treatment tank, with no clear sign of infection, could just compound the damage and the new, probably smaller, bare tank will make the angel even less inclined to feed.

Yeah I don’t think I will move him unless i decide to sedate and tube feed him to try to keep him alive. Humblefish said things very similar to what you had mentioned, so off of two trusted opinions I will let him be for now. Unfortunately he is now verging on 2 weeks of hunger strike

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yeah I don’t think I will move him unless i decide to sedate and tube feed him to try to keep him alive. Humblefish said things very similar to what you had mentioned, so off of two trusted opinions I will let him be for now. Unfortunately he is now verging on 2 weeks of hunger strike

If you haven’t seen it, here is an article I wrote on tube feeding:

Tube / Force Feeding Fish

This article describes methods of tube-feeding and force-feeding fish

www.reef2reef.com

 

[TheWhiteFord]

If you haven’t seen it, here is an article I wrote on tube feeding:

Tube / Force Feeding Fish

This article describes methods of tube-feeding and force-feeding fish

www.reef2reef.com

thanks!

 

[BZreef16]

thanks!

thanks!

Any luck.... Have you gotten him to eat yet?

 

[TheWhiteFord]

Any luck.... Have you gotten him to eat yet?

He unfortunately did not make it