Something is VERY wrong with my fish
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Yes, but there are threads where people are saying it helped. It is also an immune booster. I don't know. Im reaching I guess.
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There aren't many options if you want to cure the fish and the tank. You need to get the rest of the fish into QT. Treat all the fish with copper since you aren't sure if it is ich or velvet. That means pull everything out of the tank drain most of the water and the fish won't be very hard to catch. You can then put the tank back together and let it go fallow for the recomended 72 days. There really isn't any other option especially if it is velvet.
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I know. For whatever reason wrasses are doing well in my QT tank. The only one that is so far is my cleaner.
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Not sure how I should feel. QT fish seem OK. All are eating except for my Yellow Scopas, or at least I haven't seen him eat. All fish in the DT: Dracula Goby, Golden Pygmy Angel, Lunatus, Lanceolatus CF and Hooded wrasse seem OK. No visible signs of anything.
@Humblefish Quick question. This Dr G's Anti Parasitic Caviar with Chloroquine Phosphate. If this stuff works by curing from the "inside", how does it? Does it build the fish's immune system up so the parasites can't host and then fall off and die? Im confused. I reached out to the them but haven't gotten any answer yes.
@Humblefish Quick question. This Dr G's Anti Parasitic Caviar with Chloroquine Phosphate. If this stuff works by curing from the "inside", how does it? Does it build the fish's immune system up so the parasites can't host and then fall off and die? Im confused. I reached out to the them but haven't gotten any answer yes.
4FordFamily
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Nope
4FordFamily
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Wrasse often don't show signs of ich or even velvet in some cases due to their slime coats, the fact that many sleep under the sand away from parasites, or in mucous cocoons. That said the parasites will live on with them present ready to pounce anything you add back.
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What about my angel and goby?
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And for the record, the wrasses did have spots but not anymore. Its just so weird. I know I stated it like 10 times already.
4FordFamily
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My gobies never seemed very susceptible I've had one for 9 years or so that's survived velvet and many ich infestations back in my early days of cutting corners.
Some angels are hardier than others. I had a flame that was seemingly unaffected by everything, but another dozen or so succumbed to even the most minor cases of ich.
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My diamond goby was covered in it.
Some believe CP is capable of eradicating the trophont stage (i.e. white spots on the fish). I used to be one of those people.
However, the last 5-6 years of research on the drug has left me to believe that it only effects the theront stage - same as copper. It's just a lot gentler than copper and you are able to go from 0 to full therapeutic instantly with CP.
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So if you have a few fish in the display, is it POSSIBLE to eradicate ICH this way?Some believe CP is capable of eradicating the trophont stage (i.e. white spots on the fish). I used to be one of those people.
Possible.. but highly unlikely. One theory is that the Chloroquine builds up in the fishes' system, leaches back out of their pores, making them an undesirable host for the theronts to attach to. I have the same theory about garlic. If you've ever been around someone who eats a lot of garlic their body literally reeks of it after awhile. Perhaps parasites don't like the smell/taste of it. Chloroquine is very bitter tasting, so it might leach back out in the same manner.
However, that is all just a pet theory of mine... no science to back it up. Even IF it were true, then all your fish would have to eat the CP laced food each & every day for 72 consecutive days in order for the tank to have a chance at complete eradication. It's just highly improbable that all the stars would align perfectly like that.
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Well, I guess the good thing is, all 5 left in the DT are eating it.
4FordFamily
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The bad thing is you've made no progress toward a parasite free tank because you can't catch them
Glad they're still alive bud. Good luck
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There is something still very wrong. DT = fine. QT: Bellus angel is now dead.
kschweer
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For now the dt may "seem" fine. It's very possible that the fish in the dt are just not showing symptoms. I still think you really need to treat the fish in the display and leave it fish free for 8 weeks, if not unfortunately you will never know if it's safe for new additions and will find out the hard way if you add anything new.
The #1 killer of fish in QT is ammonia. Do you have a filter going for biological filtration in there? If not, what are you doing to control the ammonia?
Angels are notoriously copper sensitive, but are usually fine so long as you raise the Cu level very slowly.
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I found one of those Seachem ammonia badges at petco. The color indicator is not yellow (safe) nor is it blue. It's like a grey color. I did a 10 gallon water change today. Copper levels as of yesterday were .15.
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