I broke down my last tank over these monsters. I'm so scared to get them again.
Coral Boring Spionid Worms- Anybody Killed them?
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Reefing Qs
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They're in the worst possible spot. I could maybe get a pair of nippers in there, but taking the rock out is also just simply a non-starter. It's the entire main arch lol. Pictures much easier to see. Enhance!:
Are you saying you have spionids coming out of your rock? And not your coral?They're in the worst possible spot. I could maybe get a pair of nippers in there, but taking the rock out is also just simply a non-starter. It's the entire main arch lol. Pictures much easier to see. Enhance!:
First, I'd be curious if that's even spoinids. Perhaps I missed that you're talking about vermited's...
But in your case a nice big glob of 2 part putty over the area will suffocate them out.
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Proof is in the pictures! I am indeed saying spinoids are coming out of the rock - look at the photos, those two antenna sticking out are 100% undeniably rock/coral boring spinoid worms. There are actually 8 antenna total in the "zoomed in" photo, 4 separate worms sticking out all right next to each other.
Putty/glue does not work to suffocate them, they simply retreat into their tubes and dig a new hole. This is the same reason why the method doesn't work when dealing with them on corals.
fendanto
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Boring spionids primarily live on rock or bivalve/mollusc shells. Colonizing stony corals is actually less common to see even in the wild. They don’t really care though. Substrate is substrate. And epoxy putty won’t do a thing. They will simply burrow their way out. Either by mechanical or chemical means. If they can bore through mollusc shells, they can definitely make their way through partially cured epoxy putty.
You have such a small tank that it would take very little effort to eradicate that patch.
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....did you not read either of the replies after your post? What method would you suggest to eradicate them, supposedly with very little effort?
Have you not heard of moonshiners exodus dip?
These are from a rock that was infested with spoinids.
30 minutes after dip:
60 minutes after:
90 minutes after:
Roughly 35 spionid worms pulled,
You have to manually pull the worms out.
But at the same time, your tank is so tiny that you can remove that rock, throw it away and put another rock in its place.
Should take a look at this thread as well.
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Interceptor, Ivermectin, & Coral Boring Spionid Worms.
I use ivermectin 1% at a dose of 1ml/100L to treat redbug and aefw directly in the QT tank for 2 hours, then I just put in 1 bag of activated carbon and turn on the skimmer. The results were very good, after about 30 minutes I checked and saw that the pod under the sump didn't seem to be...
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I used Ivermectin on my LPS. No issues with that. The dosage is in this thread as well. My hammer and acan are still going strong and growing.Should take a look at this thread as well.
Interceptor, Ivermectin, & Coral Boring Spionid Worms.
I use ivermectin 1% at a dose of 1ml/100L to treat redbug and aefw directly in the QT tank for 2 hours, then I just put in 1 bag of activated carbon and turn on the skimmer. The results were very good, after about 30 minutes I checked and saw that the pod under the sump didn't seem to be...
Dont use ivermectin as an in-tank treatment if you go that route.
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Noticed these guys in a speciosa frag that has done nothing for years, did not take any before and after pictures but looks like dip was a success as of yesterday for spionid worms specifically. I also tried it on a master chalice frag with a random feather duster type worm, surprisingly did not seem to effect that worm. Chalice didn't care either thankfully.
Both dipped in 9drops (20 gauge syringe) per 500ml for 60 minutes
Both dipped in 9drops (20 gauge syringe) per 500ml for 60 minutes
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I tried Exodus on my species, and it didn’t kill them. Not even one. Even at a dip time of 1 hr. There must be different species of Spionid worms.Have you not heard of moonshiners exodus dip?
These are from a rock that was infested with spoinids.
30 minutes after dip:
60 minutes after:
90 minutes after:
Roughly 35 spionid worms pulled,
Andre is my friend, but I can’t say it worked. He said it worked for his like Sisterlimonpot, but the only I’ve found that works so far is Ivermectin.
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I’ve tried Tunze, thought it worked, but they bored back through it. A guy told me it worked, but it doesn’t. Works temporarily at best. Maybe a different epoxy putty will work, or something like Franks F-Aiptasia.
They definitely crawl in and out of the rocks. Most of the time they hang out on the edges of the rocks. I thought maybe they crawl up from the bottom or base of rocks, plugs, etc., only, but I’ve found them in the middle of frag plugs, on the top of colonies, top of rocks, etc. They must get carried by the flow also, and maybe land in some of these places. I do know for sure they will enter a Acropora skeleton from the base and crawl all the way up to the top. I have a Bill Murray colony now where they started at the base and are now in the very top. It’s frustrating!
Agreed. My experience as well.
Agreed. Same here.
Help please. They are in some rather expensive acans. I have plucked with tweezers grabbing the base of the tube and they come back in a week. Done this twice. followed by dip in revive after time 1 and coral rx after plucking 2
I have investigated the tank and don’t see them anywhere else. Don’t think whole tank fragment is needed and these frags are small. These buggers definitely live inside the rock
I have investigated the tank and don’t see them anywhere else. Don’t think whole tank fragment is needed and these frags are small. These buggers definitely live inside the rock
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In my system specifically, they are in nearly 40 species of SPS, but I’ve seen them in everybody’s systems. People just don’t know they have them.
I wouldn’t freak out unless your corals aren’t growing. My system has thousands maybe more. There is no removing a rock to get them out. They’re like Vermetid snails, once they’re in and breeding there’s no easy way to remove them. People spread them on the base of frags, Florida LR, plugs, etc. Also in corals that are already infected with them. Even if you deplug and debase there might be 1-2 worms higher up that you didn’t see).
My friend in Vietnam just treated his entire display. A lot of high end Acro’s. None of the corals blinked. He did about the same dose as that other guy and the results are the same. Massive die off of everything, but the Acro’s come back better than ever with crazy PE. Fish die or get stunned. Especially wrasse’s, but a lot of his fish recovered.
I’m seriously thinking about treating my whole tank with a low dose of 2mL as the other guy did 15 mL to 90/G and my friend did 16mL per 100/G. I want to micro dose and see if I can find a safer dose to possibly “leave in” longer that doesn’t create such a spike to the system. Acro’s are only affected for the first hour it seems.
However, it may be good to just knock things down initially and deal with the death carefully. 2nd treatment (if you do one) is a breeze. All the death is gone.
Some things to consider:
Remove any carbon before you treat.
Make enough water change water made in advance.
Have several fine mesh dip nets ready to deal with a TON of floating pods, crabs, worms, bugs, etc.
Keep a garbage can close by.
Have Carbon ready.
Expect a nutrient spike and plan accordingly.
Setup a QT for stunted or dying fish so they can quickly recover (if you can’t catch them before hand).
Skimmer will go nuts, be ready for that.
I don’t recommend anybody doing this and I’d say don’t do it unless you proceed at your own risk and understand the consequences of such a harsh treatment!
Literally everything we’ll die. Snails, Inverts, fish, etc…must be removed prior, and anything else that will die to mitigate the death and nutrient spike.
PH seems to be unaffected, but ORP drops.
Here’s a pic of his tank after the treatment. Zero coral loss. He wil come over and write a detailed summary of what he dosed and the whole process. I’ve already talked to him. So it should follow this post reply soon. For now I will post several pics of his system after the treatment.
I wouldn’t freak out unless your corals aren’t growing. My system has thousands maybe more. There is no removing a rock to get them out. They’re like Vermetid snails, once they’re in and breeding there’s no easy way to remove them. People spread them on the base of frags, Florida LR, plugs, etc. Also in corals that are already infected with them. Even if you deplug and debase there might be 1-2 worms higher up that you didn’t see).
My friend in Vietnam just treated his entire display. A lot of high end Acro’s. None of the corals blinked. He did about the same dose as that other guy and the results are the same. Massive die off of everything, but the Acro’s come back better than ever with crazy PE. Fish die or get stunned. Especially wrasse’s, but a lot of his fish recovered.
I’m seriously thinking about treating my whole tank with a low dose of 2mL as the other guy did 15 mL to 90/G and my friend did 16mL per 100/G. I want to micro dose and see if I can find a safer dose to possibly “leave in” longer that doesn’t create such a spike to the system. Acro’s are only affected for the first hour it seems.
However, it may be good to just knock things down initially and deal with the death carefully. 2nd treatment (if you do one) is a breeze. All the death is gone.
Some things to consider:
Remove any carbon before you treat.
Make enough water change water made in advance.
Have several fine mesh dip nets ready to deal with a TON of floating pods, crabs, worms, bugs, etc.
Keep a garbage can close by.
Have Carbon ready.
Expect a nutrient spike and plan accordingly.
Setup a QT for stunted or dying fish so they can quickly recover (if you can’t catch them before hand).
Skimmer will go nuts, be ready for that.
I don’t recommend anybody doing this and I’d say don’t do it unless you proceed at your own risk and understand the consequences of such a harsh treatment!
Literally everything we’ll die. Snails, Inverts, fish, etc…must be removed prior, and anything else that will die to mitigate the death and nutrient spike.
PH seems to be unaffected, but ORP drops.
Here’s a pic of his tank after the treatment. Zero coral loss. He wil come over and write a detailed summary of what he dosed and the whole process. I’ve already talked to him. So it should follow this post reply soon. For now I will post several pics of his system after the treatment.
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I had a raja rampage I was growing out from frag to 8” disk and they bored holes right through the middle about 5 months ago. Put large holes right in the middle of the colony. I used gorilla super glue and glued up the live rock holes they lived in. The chalice spent the next 6 months growing larger and larger and the holes were recovering. Then out of the blue for no reason I can identify, the whole colony rapidly declined and I lost it. I feel it was infection caused by their damage, or they were coming back. I tossed the rock
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