ilikefish69
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This was beautifully said. Very very important to anyone who is in the hobby to have a similar mindset as this. Respect.
Baby Tang in a 24 gallon
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ZombieEngineer
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That is also too large for a 24 gallon.
If liveaquaria says minimum tank size larger than 30 gallons, the fish will not work.
promise you will love it. Angelfish are so fun to watch
This!
Reefkeeping.com says 30-40 gallons. A cherub will use as much space as you give it whether a 100g or a 30g but most max out at 2 inches and should not get stunted or messed up in 30 gallon space. I do agree that more space is always better.
@The_ReefB0y_FOX24 the link above is actually a good read with some info on how to set up rock structure and diet. i would suggest giving it a read.
@The_ReefB0y_FOX24 the link above is actually a good read with some info on how to set up rock structure and diet. i would suggest giving it a read.
ZombieEngineer
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That is wholly untrue. 24 gallons is not even remotely close. Liveaquaria is in the business of selling as many fish as possible. They do not overestimate tank size. They often underestimate and actual tank size needs to be about 20% bigger.
That is wholly untrue. 24 gallons is not even remotely close.
That is just one basic source. I personally don't like to link sellers of fish as reliable sources. Bluezoo would tell you it is 24g. It is all over the place when looking at fish sellers. I tend to open articles or books for info. That is why I pulled up reefkeeping.
I would not say 30g is ideal, it is bare min imo but the fish should be fine if the tank is set up to meat its needs in terms of aquascape and feeding/tank mates.
Sean Clark
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Well actually it is not "wholly untrue" @Tamberav cited that a reefkeeping.com article made a particular statement which they paraphrased.That is wholly untrue. 24 gallons is not even remotely close. Liveaquaria is in the business of selling as many fish as possible. They do not overestimate tank size. They often underestimate and actual tank size needs to be about 20% bigger.
Quoted from the linked article:
"When it comes to space requirements, a few of the smaller species are actually suitable choices for small reef tanks less than 30-40 gallons in volume, as long as the tank isn’t occupied by too many other fishes. Having more space to move around is always better than less, though, and having plenty of shelter is very important for pygmy angels, too."
Citing liveaquaria's website does not make the referenced claim "wholly untrue".
livinlifeinBKK
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By far the biggest issue u had while reading through this was that OP made everyone do the work and debating for him. He still probably knows nothing about that fish and frankly probably isn't too concerned About that fact because someone here can always do the thinking for him later if needed.
ZombieEngineer
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OP has a 24G tank. @Tamberav referenced an article that said some may be good for 30-40g based on the opinion of that one specific article writer and did not mention any tank size for the cherub in particular.
30-40g is bigger than 24g. It is wholly untrue to say your kid is big enough to ride space mountain is they are 40" tall when the ride requires 48". Also wholly untrue to say a fish is big enough in a 24g when the smallest recommendations if you scour the web are larger than the tank in question.
If you actually want a successful aquarium, you use the largest recommended size or at least the average pf the larger vendors. You don't cherry pick one source. Blue zoo has been known for decades to undersize the minimum size purely to sell more fish. Liveaquaria has a reputation of undersizeing just a tiny bit but being pretty close.
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Searching the posts here you will find eatbreakfast recommended 24g for a cherub and Lasse mentioned it as a show fish for a 30g. I would consider people like them to have experience but if live aquaria is your end all then go with them.
In what way? Corals or behavior?
better with corals, behavior varies from fish to fish. All dwarf angels got some spunk... and are semi aggressive imo. My flame is a little rude but okay with corals.
In what way? Corals or behavior?
better with corals, behavior varies from fish to fish. All dwarf angels got some spunk... and are semi aggressive imo. My flame is a little rude but okay with corals.
Miami Reef
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I agree with Tamberav. I think a cherub angelfish is a much better alternative to the blue tang.
I have a baby blue tang in my 260 gallon.
I have a baby blue tang in my 260 gallon.
Chrisv.
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I've had great luck with cherubs even in 15 gallon systems, long term-- several times. It was basically the only fish in the tank both times, but it really did well and did not seem cramped in any way. The way I judge "seem cramped" is based on whether the fish interacts with the rock as it's primary substrate, swimming in and out of the rocks, or if it paces the glass.
Of particular note is the link that was posted from KP that explains that the ones they source are from the keys and stay smaller than ones from the rest of the Caribbean. I've always gotten mine from them-- or Sea Life inc, which is what KP was called before Karen and Philip took over from Karen's dad, Ken.
Of particular note is the link that was posted from KP that explains that the ones they source are from the keys and stay smaller than ones from the rest of the Caribbean. I've always gotten mine from them-- or Sea Life inc, which is what KP was called before Karen and Philip took over from Karen's dad, Ken.
Sean Clark
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I am not claiming that it is a good idea. I am only pointing out that the statement made about an article at reefkeeping.com was 100% accurate. Different sources will give you different results but that does not make someone's claim that it was said untrue.
You are also correct that 24 is less than 30; the article addresses this as well.
"a few of the smaller species are actually suitable choices for small reef tanks less than 30-40 gallons"
blaxsun
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Wow, only a day and already 6 pages. I always miss the "fun" threads where the tang police are in full force.
I'm just going to say that I've seen very happy and healthy tangs in tanks smaller than 100 gallons, and the owners were very meticulous in maintaining the reef environment, water parameters and feeding. You can't just compare apples to apples in terms of tank sizes, because there are a multitude of other factors.
I'm just going to say that I've seen very happy and healthy tangs in tanks smaller than 100 gallons, and the owners were very meticulous in maintaining the reef environment, water parameters and feeding. You can't just compare apples to apples in terms of tank sizes, because there are a multitude of other factors.
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At this point we are in damage control, mitigating a potential disaster. If OP chooses to put a cherub in their 24 gallon over a nano tang, I call that a win! Sometimes you have to take a win where you can get it.
blaxsun
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"Win" is hard to define here - this is more akin to "rent to own". Terming the cherub as the lesser of two evils is still, well - not ideal long term.
Unless you absolutely, positively will be upgrading within 6 months (and by upgrade, I mean a substantial upgrade) you're really better off sticking with a pair of clownfish.
Honestly, aside from maybe one or two exceptions I've never figured out the allure of tangs. They're bonafide ich magnets and have to be one of the dumbest fish you could potentially put in your reef.
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