White Spots on goby and pygmy angel.

[PDR]

Has nothing to do what I'm hearing. Won't be told about my parenting on a fish forum. Just because someone gives opinions doesn't mean I need to jump and spend money or even do what they say. Just cause one person uses Hanna and another api don't make either right or wrong. Every tank is different and so is every situation. What worked best for you might not for another.

Are you really equating flushing a fish to a choice of test kit?

 

[Darkartist]

You could have set up a small qt in the time you have spent replying to this thread, so don't talk about not having time. In an emergency a 5-gallon bucket, a heater, and meds would work. Way less than the money you would spend replacing these fish.

Exactly why I've already stated I'm using a 5 gallon bucket and have already done this as why I'm on here and not caring for my fish.

 

[Darkartist]

You are really equating flushing a fish to a choice of test kit?

Flushing had nothing to do with that staement.

 

[TheEngineer]

Exactly why I've already stated I'm using a 5 gallon bucket and have already done this as why I'm on here and not caring for my fish.

Great! Did you do a freshwater dip already too?

The 5g bucket is a great quick way to get the fish under treatment. It isn't a long term solution, but it will get you down the right path so you can have time to figure out a long term plan.

 

[ihavecrabs]

Back to the 76 days vs restart.. here is my perspective. Hope it helps!

Drying rock to kill the parasites, while certainly quicker than 76 days, will probably be harder on you on the long run. Consider the fact that the live rock is live and the bacteria and microfauna you have invaluable. It'll take a long time to get back to this point. (I am assuming your tank is established, at least a 3+ months old).

Going fish free is a drag. I get that. I did a restart when I relocated and it has been about a year to get my rock/tank stable.

Hope it all works out.

 

[Darkartist]

Great! Did you do a freshwater dip already too?

The 5g bucket is a great quick way to get the fish under treatment. It isn't a long term solution, but it will get you down the right path so you can have time to figure out a long term plan.

Yea right away last night in between all my irresponsible behavior.

 

[4FordFamily]

Flushing had nothing to do with that staement.

But it is what rubbed everyone the wrong way, and it reflects poorly on your character. Whether that's warranted or unwarranted, I am unsure.

Regarding LFS quarantining, this might be a useful read for you.
https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/lfs-fish-“treatment”-the-“sudden”-need-for-quarantine.308/

It may also explain why what you've done historically may not work now.

 

[Darkartist]

Thanks for your perspective. All info is helpful. I have other live rock thou and can have a cycled tank inside a month with new fish and/or current fish if they make it.

 

[TheEngineer]

The freshwater dip helps them feel a little better (although they hate it). Copper is your next step. Unfortunately you can't do the tank transfer method on actively sick fish. Chloroquine phosphate can be used, but it is hard to get.

Here's a great explainer on the copper treatment:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/copper-treatment.193343/

EDIT: I have been able to find these items at big box pet stores.

 

[Darkartist]

I got rubbed wrong when everyone like sorry for your lose and I didn't lose anything but I didn't get all bent. Text is to easily takin out of context. Not a big deal to me try not to read into it to much. And thanks. I really trust the diver I get my stuff from thou. This is only the 2nd time I've ever seen this. I honestly think it was the big chain store purchase of my angel. I hear they are common ich carriers.

 

[4FordFamily]

I got rubbed wrong when everyone like sorry for your lose and I didn't lose anything but I didn't get all bent. Text is to easily takin out of context. Not a big deal to me try not to read into it to much. And thanks. I really trust the diver I get my stuff from thou. This is only the 2nd time I've ever seen this. I honestly think it was the big chain store purchase of my angel. I hear they are common ich carriers.

Any fish that moves through the distribution system is almost certain to carry these parasites. It's an unfortunate reality. I didn't quarantine for the first ten years I was in the hobby, I could never get away with that now. It's much less expensive and stressful (of course much more ethical for the fish) to quarantine properly.

 

[Darkartist]

The freshwater dip helps them feel a little better (although they hate it). Copper is your next step. Unfortunately you can't do the tank transfer method on actively sick fish. Chloroquine phosphate can be used, but it is hard to get.

Here's a great explainer on the copper treatment:
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/copper-treatment.193343/

EDIT: I have been able to find these items at big box pet stores.

Will do I have kits already. Need to check dates not sure if they are still good or if they have a shelf life. Time will tell, more worried about main tank they were in. I feel a restart will be fastest way to get ich free. And once treated I can introduce fish back into ich free tank.

 

[4FordFamily]

I am still unsure why fast is a bigger concern than money and convenience? It's far more expensive and inconvenient to handle it the way you seem focused on. If I lost my job, was a single father, any of the above these would not be the criteria I would utilize to make a decision, personally.

That's just me though.

 

[Darkartist]

Any fish that moves through the distribution system is almost certain to carry these parasites. It's an unfortunate reality. I didn't quarantine for the first ten years I was in the hobby, I could never get away with that now. It's much less expensive and stressful (of course much more ethical for the fish) to quarantine properly.

But like you said 10 years...and like I stated I usually get my fish from diver the qt everything before he gives to me and never had a single issue. I went to a big chain cause I was impatient and I think it bite me. I rushed a hobby that shouldn't be.

 

[TheEngineer]

I got rubbed wrong when everyone like sorry for your lose and I didn't lose anything but I didn't get all bent. Text is to easily takin out of context. Not a big deal to me try not to read into it to much. And thanks. I really trust the diver I get my stuff from thou. This is only the 2nd time I've ever seen this. I honestly think it was the big chain store purchase of my angel. I hear they are common ich carriers.

People thought they died because of this post (emphasis mine)

Wow in just 1 hour. Rip

 

[TheEngineer]

Let's make sure you've got the info you need for your next steps....

1. Fresh water dip to remove surface parasites and give the fish some time to recover. CHECK!
2. Move sick fish to hospital system. CHECK!
3. Get copper and copper test kit. IN PROGRESS
4. Get ammonia alert badge to stay on top of ammonia in hospital tank. IN PROGRESS
5. Bring fish up to therapeutic copper level as soon as possible. See the previous thread I posted for details.
6. Treat fish in copper for required duration and transfer to observation system.
7. Go fallow in display tank for 76 days. (Starts today since the fish are already out)
8. Return your fully quarantined and healthy fish to the display and celebrate!

Now not going fallow is an option, but I'm not sure how effective a method like drying out the rocks will be. There are a lot of places that can hold the tiniest drops of moisture and harbor the parasite.

 

[Darkartist]

I am still unsure why fast is a bigger concern that money and convenience? It's far more expensive and inconvenient to handle it the way you seem focused on. If I lost my job, was a single father, any of the above these would not be the criteria I would utilize to make a decision, personally.

That's just me though.

Just personal opinion. No point of having empty tank if you don't need to for 5 months. Longer if something goes wrong and comes back. Cost wise in my situation isn't anything as I bought more rock then I have tanks. And overstocked everything in the beginning. So zero cost to restart as I have everything already. And time wise and my personal opinion it's easier to restart and less time of paying to keep and maintain a coral only tank and worry that in 76 day problem starts all over possibly. Because hypothetically speaking I only wait 60 days or whatever. With restart I'd feel better that the ich dies for sure. And faster. Had fish, coral and an anenome in that tank after only 2 months. Didn't lose my job either.

 

[Darkartist]

People thought they died because of this post (emphasis mine)

O well sorry. Meant in response to as stated was a really bad case so I said in only 1 hour? Out here where I live am a common expression of rip if something might not make it. As if this is a bad case as the other guy stated I didn't think they would live.

 

[Crabs McJones]

Just personal opinion. No point of having empty tank if you don't need to for 5 months. Longer if something goes wrong and comes back. Cost wise in my situation isn't anything as I bought more rock then I have tanks. And overstocked everything in the beginning. So zero cost to restart as I have everything already. And time wise and my personal opinion it's easier to restart and less time of paying to keep and maintain a coral only tank and worry that in 76 day problem starts all over possibly. Because hypothetically speaking I only wait 60 days or whatever. With restart I'd feel better that the ich dies for sure. And faster. Had fish, coral and an anenome in that tank after only 2 months. Didn't lose my job either.

Wouldn't the 76 day fallow period be much easier though if you think about it? To do a restart you have to drain the tank, remove the rock, let it dry out, and when you're ready to start up again re add the rock, make all new water, transfer that water and let the tank cycle all over again...its definitely labor intensive than just letting the tank sit there and run for 76 days. Or did you have a different approach?

 

[Darkartist]

Let's make sure you've got the info you need for your next steps....

1. Fresh water dip to remove surface parasites and give the fish some time to recover. CHECK!
2. Move sick fish to hospital system. CHECK!
3. Get copper and copper test kit. IN PROGRESS
4. Get ammonia alert badge to stay on top of ammonia in hospital tank. IN PROGRESS
5. Bring fish up to therapeutic copper level as soon as possible. See the previous thread I posted for details.
6. Treat fish in copper for required duration and transfer to observation system.
7. Go fallow in display tank for 76 days. (Starts today since the fish are already out)
8. Return your fully quarantined and healthy fish to the display and celebrate!

Now not going fallow is an option, but I'm not sure how effective a method like drying out the rocks will be. There are a lot of places that can hold the tiniest drops of moisture and harbor the parasite.

Check. Fish well be treated. Tank will be restarted to kill ich faster and for sure. I won't be using same rock or sand or anything from that tank. I might way down the road after it's been in my garage for long time and might be needed again if I have to replace everything again and I don't have more. But by that time no way anything survives.