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The main difference is that organic nutrients contain a carbon atom and inorganic nutrients won’t have the the carbon atom.What are inorganic nutrients? Perhaps I only thought that I understood. I'm sure that I only thought that I understood. I got confused between elemental and molecular.
In my view it depends greatly on several important aspects of a system, a young system can benefit greatly from a algae bed to outcompete other photosynthetic nuisances that can utilise this nutrients and take hold in a system otherwise.Another question. Is an algae reactor counter productive in relation to this?
In my view no.
They contain nitrogen atoms
Those ingredients that you mentioned above on they’re own won’t lower nutrients as they are sources of nitrogen. You may need to take in consideration that most amino acids sold in the hobby contain carbohydrates and they contain sugars and starches that will lower nutrients. AB+ for example contains carbohydrates and you may have heard of some folks having Cyanobacteria blooming after dosing amino acids the reason for that is the nitrogen content that some nuisance algae and bacteria can assimilate during photosynthesis.
This is not correct.The main difference is that organic nutrients contain a carbon atom and inorganic nutrients won’t have the the carbon atom.
ex. Amino acids contain a carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and hydrogen atoms, making amino acids a organic nutrient on the other hand Nitrates won’t have the carbon atom making it a inorganic nutrient.
Yep this is where I’m at right now. Started with dry rock and it’s been a long battle maturing the system. Finally beat hair algae and cyano in the display and took my algae turf scrubber offline and a month later now here comes back all of the uglies in the display.In my view it depends greatly on several important aspects of a system, a young system can benefit greatly from a algae bed to outcompete other photosynthetic nuisances that can utilise this nutrients and take hold in a system otherwise.
Wile a system matures there’s not many beneficial organisms that can utilise this nutrient some get lucky and are able to develop coraline algae from the beginning aiding the management of excess organic nutrients.
later in the live of a reef aquarium, coral, coraline and microbial diversity will take over and manage those nutrients more efficiently without the need for a algae reactor to help managing those nutrients.
In conclusion as there is many other factors that will influence organic nutrient management, we need to interpret our system and determine what can be beneficial for each stage. Some only look at macro algaes as a method to lower inorganic nutrient, I look at it slightly further.
Since a couple people have asked, acetic acid does not contain Nitrogen.In my view no.
They contain nitrogen atoms
Inorganic compounds (which could be considered nutrients) - like bicarbonate, CO2 are inorganic.The main difference is that organic nutrients contain a carbon atom and inorganic nutrients won’t have the the carbon atom.
Correct - acetic acid is vinegar.Which I guess makes sense, since Acetic acid is the main ingredient in vinegar.
There are several definitions of 'inorganic nutrients'. For example - Iodine could be considered an inorganic nutrient.What are inorganic nutrients? Perhaps I only thought that I understood. I'm sure that I only thought that I understood. I got confused between elemental and molecular.
I take all criticism with open arms, it means that the discussion is moving forward and in the right direction as more folks are getting involved, the reason I don’t consider a carbon source on that particular question was that was aimed at discussing a particular product ingredient and acetic acid was only used as a preservative. Not the main ingredient, the impact on nutrients would be very minimal if any.@sixty_reefer said: "In my view no. They contain nitrogen atoms". (concerning Glutamate, Aspartate and Acetic Acid)
This is partially incorrect as well. Acetate/acetic acid does not contain Nitrogen - and I would consider it similar to vodka. Glutamate and aspartate are amino acids - and are somewhat different - but are also considered sources of Carbon and Nitrogen.
The definition of an inorganic compound does not necessarily mean they do not contain nitrogen for example - HCN (Cyanide) - is an inorganic compound. Additionally, ammonia, nitrate, nitrate are also 'inorganic'. The key is there needs to be a covalent bond between Carbon and another of the molecules.
I don't want to criticize you - but when discussing things - precision is important
I do understand the difference between elemental and organic nutrients. I don't understand dosing carbon and nitrate and phosphate together. I see that one can raise the levels but why carbon at the same time? Or am I not understanding it? I also don't know the symptoms of too low nutrients. Too high and urchins drop dead. But they don't like too high raw organics either.
As to my reference to the difference between organic and inorganic nutrients I say “most” organic nutrients contain a carbon atom to try and simplify as you mentioned there is exceptions to the rule.
We also need to take in consideration that we are discussing nutrients and they are different from compounds, would you consider bicarbonate a nutrient?
It is although I believe it’s being used as a preservative, does it gives you the percentage or chemical analysis on this product?But the bottle seems to indicate that at least the acidic (acetic?) acid is in fact a carbon source??
Ingredients: USP Aspartic acid, USP Glutumic acid, other proprietary ingredients including acidic acid as a preservative and carbon source.
Which I guess makes sense, since Acetic acid is the main ingredient in vinegar.
During the initial years there is always some sort of nuisance due to this, that’s why coralline algae is so desirable if she’s dominating a system there is less undesirable taking advantages of the empty space.Yep this is where I’m at right now. Started with dry rock and it’s been a long battle maturing the system. Finally beat hair algae and cyano in the display and took my algae turf scrubber offline and a month later now here comes back all of the uglies in the display.
Yes Bicarbonate I would consider a nutrient. I believe you had stated that acetate contained 'nitrogen' - which is incorrect. In any case - acetic acid and acetate are both nutrients, and an 'organic' compound. Which is the point I was trying to make.I take all criticism with open arms, it means that the discussion is moving forward and in the right direction as more folks are getting involved, the reason I don’t consider a carbon source on that particular question was that was aimed at discussing a particular product ingredient and acetic acid was only used as a preservative. Not the main ingredient, the impact on nutrients would be very minimal if any.
As to my reference to the difference between organic and inorganic nutrients I say “most” organic nutrients contain a carbon atom to try and simplify as you mentioned there is exceptions to the rule.
We also need to take in consideration that we are discussing nutrients and they are different from compounds, would you consider bicarbonate a nutrient?
It can’t be it mentions a ratio of 16:1 nitrates to phosphates reduction wile carbon dosing@sixty_reefer @Randy Holmes-Farley is one of the authors of this article.
Reefkeeping Magazine - Vinegar Dosing Methodology for the Marine Aquarium
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No, it does not. What I posted is what is listed under ingredients. no percentages listed.It is although I believe it’s being used as a preservative, does it gives you the percentage or chemical analysis on this product?